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Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've decided
to block the domain. There are several of you that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please switch). Hotmail and Yahoo have very few spam originators compared to Gmail. The sheer volume of Gmail spammers have just become too unwieldy to block on an individual basis. Please note that I've cross-posted this message, so please remove other groups before replying. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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Dave Bugg wrote: > Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've decided > to block the domain. There are several of you that I really enjoy reading, > like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please > switch). > > Hotmail and Yahoo have very few spam originators compared to Gmail. The > sheer volume of Gmail spammers have just become too unwieldy to block on an > individual basis. > > Please note that I've cross-posted this message, so please remove other > groups before replying. > I don't see much spam here. I guess my filters work. JD |
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In article >,
JD > wrote: > Dave Bugg wrote: > > Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've decided > > to block the domain. There are several of you that I really enjoy reading, > > like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please > > switch). > > > > Hotmail and Yahoo have very few spam originators compared to Gmail. The > > sheer volume of Gmail spammers have just become too unwieldy to block on an > > individual basis. > > > > Please note that I've cross-posted this message, so please remove other > > groups before replying. > > > > > > I don't see much spam here. I guess my filters work. > > JD I never noted before that you used "gstringmail.com". That's clever. ;-) -- Peace, Om Remove underscore to validate gmails. "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." -- Mark Twain |
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Omelet wrote: > In article >, > JD > wrote: > >> Dave Bugg wrote: >>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've decided >>> to block the domain. There are several of you that I really enjoy reading, >>> like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please >>> switch). >>> >>> Hotmail and Yahoo have very few spam originators compared to Gmail. The >>> sheer volume of Gmail spammers have just become too unwieldy to block on an >>> individual basis. >>> >>> Please note that I've cross-posted this message, so please remove other >>> groups before replying. >>> >> >> >> I don't see much spam here. I guess my filters work. >> >> JD > > I never noted before that you used "gstringmail.com". > > That's clever. ;-) It's a little more relevant to the guitar group I post to <g> |
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In article >,
JD > wrote: > Omelet wrote: > > In article >, > > JD > wrote: > > > >> Dave Bugg wrote: > >>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've > >>> decided > >>> to block the domain. There are several of you that I really enjoy > >>> reading, > >>> like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, > >>> please > >>> switch). > >>> > >>> Hotmail and Yahoo have very few spam originators compared to Gmail. The > >>> sheer volume of Gmail spammers have just become too unwieldy to block on > >>> an > >>> individual basis. > >>> > >>> Please note that I've cross-posted this message, so please remove other > >>> groups before replying. > >>> > >> > >> > >> I don't see much spam here. I guess my filters work. > >> > >> JD > > > > I never noted before that you used "gstringmail.com". > > > > That's clever. ;-) > > It's a little more relevant to the guitar group I > post to <g> Indeed... <lol> -- Peace, Om Remove underscore to validate gmails. "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." -- Mark Twain |
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brother wrote on 19 Feb 2008 13:34:20 GMT:
??>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam ??>> that I've decided to block the domain. There are several ??>> of you that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, ??>> who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please ??>> switch). bm> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those bm> that have @gmail.com return addresses. But several newsreaders, including Outlook Express, allow you to specifically accept people. It is only necessary that the rule precede the dissallowing of gmail. James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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"brother mouse" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: > >> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will >> miss (guys, please switch). > > I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have > @gmail.com return addresses. > > http://improve-usenet.org/index.html > > Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the replacement for OE? Feel free to email me with info. Jill |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in
: > > "brother mouse" > wrote in message > ... >> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >> >>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >>> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >>> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I >>> will miss (guys, please switch). >> >> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >> @gmail.com return addresses. >> >> http://improve-usenet.org/index.html >> >> > Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the replacement for OE? > Feel free to email me with info. > > Jill > > Mozilla thunderbird. -- The house of the burning beet-Alan It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night- Elbonian Folklore |
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jmcquown wrote on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:21:46 -0500:
j> "brother mouse" > wrote in j> message ... ??>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: ??>> ??>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam ??>>> that I've decided to block the domain. There are several ??>>> of you that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, ??>>> who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please ??>>> switch). ??>> ??>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those ??>> that have @gmail.com return addresses. ??>> ??>> http://improve-usenet.org/index.html ??>> j> Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the j> replacement for OE? Feel free to email me with info. Here is the rule (abbreviated) that I use on OE6 but I don't know if it will work on Windows Mail. ________________________________ Apply this rule after the message arrives Where the From line contains ' or ' Stop processing more rules _____________________________________ James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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"James Silverton" > wrote in message news:PHBuj.1275$JF.406@trnddc01... > jmcquown wrote on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:21:46 -0500: > > > j> "brother mouse" > wrote in > j> message ... > ??>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: > ??>> > ??>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam > ??>>> that I've decided to block the domain. There are several > ??>>> of you that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, > ??>>> who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please > ??>>> switch). > ??>> > ??>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those > ??>> that have @gmail.com return addresses. > ??>> > ??>> http://improve-usenet.org/index.html > ??>> > j> Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the > j> replacement for OE? Feel free to email me with info. > > Here is the rule (abbreviated) that I use on OE6 but I don't know if it > will work on Windows Mail. > ________________________________ > Apply this rule after the message arrives > > Where the From line contains ' or > ' > > Stop processing more rules > > _____________________________________ > > James Silverton > Potomac, Maryland > But I don't want to filter @gmail.com. I want anything with googlegroups.com in the message header. People posting from Google Groups don't have to have a gmail address. I was posting via Google before I bought this PC last week and I don't have a gmail account. Jill |
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hahabogus wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in > : > > Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the replacement for > > OE? Feel free to email me with info. > Mozilla thunderbird. Thunderbird? That had one of the weakest filtering systems of any of the newsreaders I reviewed back when I was selecting one. Unless they've made some major improvements, of course. Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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Default User wrote: > hahabogus wrote: > >> "jmcquown" > wrote in >> : > >>> Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the replacement for >>> OE? Feel free to email me with info. > >> Mozilla thunderbird. > > Thunderbird? That had one of the weakest filtering systems of any of > the newsreaders I reviewed back when I was selecting one. Unless > they've made some major improvements, of course. > No, they haven't really improved it yet. I'm using Thunderbird with a freeware local proxy server called "nfilter" or "newsproxy" (the same program has 2 names and I'm not sure which is proper) to do the filtering. Bob |
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Default User wrote:
> hahabogus wrote: > >> "jmcquown" > wrote in >> : > >> > Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the replacement for >> > OE? Feel free to email me with info. > >> Mozilla thunderbird. > > Thunderbird? That had one of the weakest filtering systems of any of > the newsreaders I reviewed back when I was selecting one. Unless > they've made some major improvements, of course. Agreed. They haven't. The fix: http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html Also works for the MS news clients. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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zxcvbob wrote:
> > Default User wrote: >> hahabogus wrote: >> >>> "jmcquown" > wrote in >>> : >> >>>> Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the replacement for >>>> OE? Feel free to email me with info. >> >>> Mozilla thunderbird. >> >> Thunderbird? That had one of the weakest filtering systems of any of >> the newsreaders I reviewed back when I was selecting one. Unless >> they've made some major improvements, of course. >> > > > > No, they haven't really improved it yet. > > I'm using Thunderbird with a freeware local proxy server called > "nfilter" or "newsproxy" (the same program has 2 names and I'm not sure > which is proper) to do the filtering. It used to be nfilter. Now it is newsproxy. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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jmcquown wrote:
> > "James Silverton" > wrote in message > news:PHBuj.1275$JF.406@trnddc01... >> jmcquown wrote on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:21:46 -0500: >> >> >> j> "brother mouse" > wrote in >> j> message ... >> ??>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >> ??>> >> ??>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam >> ??>>> that I've decided to block the domain. There are several >> ??>>> of you that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, >> ??>>> who use Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please >> ??>>> switch). >> ??>> >> ??>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those >> ??>> that have @gmail.com return addresses. >> ??>> >> ??>> http://improve-usenet.org/index.html >> ??>> >> j> Got a filter that will work with Windows Mail, the >> j> replacement for OE? Feel free to email me with info. >> >> Here is the rule (abbreviated) that I use on OE6 but I don't know if it >> will work on Windows Mail. >> ________________________________ >> Apply this rule after the message arrives >> >> Where the From line contains ' or >> ' >> >> Stop processing more rules >> >> _____________________________________ >> >> James Silverton >> Potomac, Maryland >> > > But I don't want to filter @gmail.com. I want anything with > googlegroups.com in the message header. That would be the Message-ID header. > People posting from Google Groups don't have to have a gmail address. > I was posting via Google before I bought this PC last week and I don't > have a gmail account. > > Jill http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html for the MS news clients. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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brother mouse wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: > >> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I >> will miss (guys, please switch). > > I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have > @gmail.com return addresses. You assumed wrong. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote: > > > > > Default User wrote: > >> hahabogus wrote: > >>> Mozilla thunderbird. > >> > >> Thunderbird? That had one of the weakest filtering systems of any > of >> the newsreaders I reviewed back when I was selecting one. Unless > >> they've made some major improvements, of course. > >> > > > > > > > > No, they haven't really improved it yet. > > > > I'm using Thunderbird with a freeware local proxy server called > > "nfilter" or "newsproxy" (the same program has 2 names and I'm not > > sure which is proper) to do the filtering. > > It used to be nfilter. Now it is newsproxy. I'd looked into some of the proxy systems back when. However, XanaNews seemed to cover most of what I needed (the upgrade for me was filtering cross-postings). I've been reasonably satisfied since. Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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Dave Bugg wrote:
> brother mouse wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >> >>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >>> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >>> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I >>> will miss (guys, please switch). >> >> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >> @gmail.com return addresses. > > You assumed wrong. He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by filtering on...well...GG. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote: > >> brother mouse wrote: >>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>> >>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >>>> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >>>> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I >>>> will miss (guys, please switch). >>> >>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >>> @gmail.com return addresses. >> >> You assumed wrong. > > He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by > filtering on...well...GG. Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam is with ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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Dave Bugg wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote: >> Dave Bugg wrote: >> >>> brother mouse wrote: >>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >>>>> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >>>>> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I >>>>> will miss (guys, please switch). >>>> >>>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >>>> @gmail.com return addresses. >>> >>> You assumed wrong. >> >> He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by >> filtering on...well...GG. > > Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam is with > ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. Tons and *tons* of clued people use gmail and show gmail email addresses, who are not the GG spammers that are the real problem. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote: > >> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>> >>>> brother mouse wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >>>>>> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >>>>>> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I >>>>>> will miss (guys, please switch). >>>>> >>>>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >>>>> @gmail.com return addresses. >>>> >>>> You assumed wrong. >>> >>> He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by >>> filtering on...well...GG. >> >> Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam is with >> ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. > > Tons and *tons* of clued people use gmail and show gmail email addresses, > who are not the GG spammers that are the real problem. ^ and knuckleheads -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote: > >> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>> >>>> brother mouse wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that >>>>>> I've decided to block the domain. There are several of you that >>>>>> I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and >>>>>> whose posts I will miss (guys, please switch). >>>>> >>>>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >>>>> @gmail.com return addresses. >>>> >>>> You assumed wrong. >>> >>> He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by >>> filtering on...well...GG. >> >> Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam is >> with ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. > > Tons and *tons* of clued people use gmail and show gmail email > addresses, who are not the GG spammers that are the real problem. Then why has my downloaded spam count gone down on this NG by at least 80% since I have filtered for @gmail.com in the last 24 hours? It hasn't removed it all, but at least now I can easily pick out the posts from the spam. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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Dave Bugg wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote: >> Dave Bugg wrote: >> >>> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>>> >>>>> brother mouse wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >>>>>>> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I >>>>>>> really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose >>>>>>> posts I will miss (guys, please switch). >>>>>> >>>>>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >>>>>> @gmail.com return addresses. >>>>> >>>>> You assumed wrong. >>>> >>>> He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by >>>> filtering on...well...GG. >>> >>> Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam is >>> with ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. >> >> Tons and *tons* of clued people use gmail and show gmail email >> addresses, who are not the GG spammers that are the real problem. > > Then why has my downloaded spam count gone down on this NG by at least > 80% since I have filtered for @gmail.com in the last 24 hours? It hasn't > removed it all, but at least now I can easily pick out the posts from > the spam. Because many GG spammers do use gmail accounts. Nothing I said is in conflict with that. Yes, you've set off a car bomb at the mall and hit *some* of the GG spammers. And non-GG spammer bystanders who use gmail. Collateral damage, as they say. Targeting GG spammers, not gmail users, gets *all* of the GG spammers. And none of the many innocent gmail users. Because, see, you're actually filtering *on* GG. If you're happy with an 80% improvement (and don't mind all of the friendly-fire kills you'll make on non-GG-spammer gmail users), go for it. Just don't think your car bomb at the market is the sniper rifle that real GG filtering is. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote: > >> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>> >>>> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>>>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> brother mouse wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that >>>>>>>> I've decided to block the domain. There are several of you >>>>>>>> that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail >>>>>>>> and whose posts I will miss (guys, please switch). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that >>>>>>> have @gmail.com return addresses. >>>>>> >>>>>> You assumed wrong. >>>>> >>>>> He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by >>>>> filtering on...well...GG. >>>> >>>> Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam is >>>> with ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. >>> >>> Tons and *tons* of clued people use gmail and show gmail email >>> addresses, who are not the GG spammers that are the real problem. >> >> Then why has my downloaded spam count gone down on this NG by at >> least 80% since I have filtered for @gmail.com in the last 24 hours? >> It hasn't removed it all, but at least now I can easily pick out the >> posts from the spam. > > Because many GG spammers do use gmail accounts. Nothing I said is in > conflict with that. But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. Whether these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake gmail.com doesn't matter one wit, the result is the same. > And none of the many > innocent gmail users. Because, see, you're actually filtering *on* > GG. If you're happy with an 80% improvement (and don't mind all of > the friendly-fire kills you'll make on non-GG-spammer gmail users), > go for it. I don't mind a bit. It puzzles me as to why what I do matters to you. Do what you want, I'll do what I find the most expediant. > Just don't think your car bomb at the market is the > sniper rifle that real GG filtering is. So what? I've accomplished what I wanted to accomplish. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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"Dave Bugg" > wrote > But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. Whether > these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake gmail.com doesn't > matter one wit, the result is the same. Dave, I've had excellent results by blocking gmail, too. Luckily I can exclude the posters I want to see from that rule as I find out who they are. Blocking gmail does a fine job of cleaning up the spammers, etc. nancy |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote > >> But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. >> Whether these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake >> gmail.com doesn't matter one wit, the result is the same. > > Dave, I've had excellent results by blocking gmail, too. > Luckily I can exclude the posters I want to see from that > rule as I find out who they are. > > Blocking gmail does a fine job of cleaning up the spammers, etc. I agree 1000%. I've already excluded a few gmail users whom I know use gmail. The fact also exists that some of the heaviest spammers don't use GG at all, but will insert a fake @gmail.com address to throw other filters. A GG filter won't touch those. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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In article >,
brother mouse > wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: > > > Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've > > decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really > > enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will > > miss (guys, please switch). > > I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have > @gmail.com return addresses. > > http://improve-usenet.org/index.html Unfortunately, no. Some people find that it is just easier to block posters who put "gmail" in the "from" field. I find these mildly offensive. It's like the retail merchant who says that it is too much work to find out who steals from his store, so he just doesn't serve customers with dark skin. Says it works great. Dave mentions people who "use" gmail, but if you look at the bottom of some posts from people who put "gmail" in the "from" field, they freely admit that they don't use the account at all, it is just there because it is required (and must be valid) to use their news service. The spammers who harvest Email from the "from" field can harvest all they want, those people never read mail from those Email accounts. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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On Feb 19, 7:56*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >, > *brother mouse > wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: > > > > Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've > > > decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really > > > enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I will > > > miss (guys, please switch). > > > I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have > > @gmail.com return addresses. > > >http://improve-usenet.org/index.html > > Unfortunately, no. *Some people find that it is just easier to block > posters who put "gmail" in the "from" field. > > I find these mildly offensive. *It's like the retail merchant who says > that it is too much work to find out who steals from his store, so he > just doesn't serve customers with dark skin. *Says it works great. > > Dave mentions people who "use" gmail, but if you look at the bottom of > some posts from people who put "gmail" in the "from" field, they freely > admit that they don't use the account at all, it is just there because > it is required (and must be valid) to use their news service. *The > spammers who harvest Email from the "from" field can harvest all they > want, those people never read mail from those Email accounts. > > -- > Dan Abel > Petaluma, California USA > Thanks, Dan... You summed it up nicely. And, in my case, I can't use nntp, and yes, google requires an unmodified gmail address. ..fred |
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"kuvasz guy" > wrote >Thanks, Dan... You summed it up nicely. And, in my case, I can't use >nntp, and yes, google requires an unmodified gmail address. Don't think I don't see you, garlic boy. nancy |
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Dave Bugg wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote: >> Dave Bugg wrote: >> >>> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>>>>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> brother mouse wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that >>>>>>>>> I've decided to block the domain. There are several of you >>>>>>>>> that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail >>>>>>>>> and whose posts I will miss (guys, please switch). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that >>>>>>>> have @gmail.com return addresses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You assumed wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by >>>>>> filtering on...well...GG. >>>>> >>>>> Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam is >>>>> with ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. >>>> >>>> Tons and *tons* of clued people use gmail and show gmail email >>>> addresses, who are not the GG spammers that are the real problem. >>> >>> Then why has my downloaded spam count gone down on this NG by at >>> least 80% since I have filtered for @gmail.com in the last 24 hours? >>> It hasn't removed it all, but at least now I can easily pick out the >>> posts from the spam. >> >> Because many GG spammers do use gmail accounts. Nothing I said is in >> conflict with that. > > But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. Whether > these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake gmail.com doesn't > matter one wit, the result is the same. > >> And none of the many >> innocent gmail users. Because, see, you're actually filtering *on* >> GG. If you're happy with an 80% improvement (and don't mind all of >> the friendly-fire kills you'll make on non-GG-spammer gmail users), >> go for it. > > I don't mind a bit. It puzzles me as to why what I do matters to you. Do > what you want, I'll do what I find the most expediant. > >> Just don't think your car bomb at the market is the >> sniper rifle that real GG filtering is. > > So what? I've accomplished what I wanted to accomplish. A partially effective, sloppy filter. And you're welcome to it. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> > "Dave Bugg" > wrote > >> But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. Whether >> these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake gmail.com doesn't >> matter one wit, the result is the same. > > Dave, I've had excellent results by blocking gmail, too. > Luckily I can exclude the posters I want to see from that > rule as I find out who they are. > > Blocking gmail does a fine job of cleaning up the spammers, etc. It does a half-ass job. But as I look at your headers and Dave's, I see that this is kind of moot, because your news clients can't - by themselves - do the kind of precise filtering it takes to do it right, as some more robust readers can. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
Blocking Gmail
"Blinky the Shark" > wrote > Nancy Young wrote: >> Dave, I've had excellent results by blocking gmail, too. >> Luckily I can exclude the posters I want to see from that >> rule as I find out who they are. >> >> Blocking gmail does a fine job of cleaning up the spammers, etc. > > It does a half-ass job. But as I look at your headers and Dave's, I see > that this is kind of moot, because your news clients can't - by themselves > - do the kind of precise filtering it takes to do it right, as some more > robust readers can. You're saying I'm seeing spam I don't want to see. In fact, it's only a couple messages a day, *maybe*. Blocking gmail.com is very effective. I can't imagine what posts you're seeing that you think I'm not filtering. The point is moot. I'm happy, no worries. nancy |
Blocking Gmail
Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >, > brother mouse > wrote: > >> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >> >>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that I've >>> decided to block the domain. There are several of you that I really >>> enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use Gmail and whose posts I >>> will miss (guys, please switch). >> >> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that have >> @gmail.com return addresses. >> >> http://improve-usenet.org/index.html > > Unfortunately, no. Some people find that it is just easier to block > posters who put "gmail" in the "from" field. > > I find these mildly offensive. It's like the retail merchant who says > that it is too much work to find out who steals from his store, so he > just doesn't serve customers with dark skin. Says it works great. It's not the same as all. And what's offensive is to try and insert a racial analogy. WebTV is a much better analogy. > Dave mentions people who "use" gmail, but if you look at the bottom of > some posts from people who put "gmail" in the "from" field, they > freely admit that they don't use the account at all, I made a large point of that several times. > it is just there > because it is required (and must be valid) to use their news service. > The spammers who harvest Email from the "from" field can harvest all > they want, those people never read mail from those Email accounts. But the effect is the same as if they were really from gmail. Gmail users can easily munge their address, but more and more folks are blocking gmail period, rather than waste huge chunks of time. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
Blocking Gmail
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote: > >> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>> >>>> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>>>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>>>>>> Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> brother mouse wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:32 +0000, Dave Bugg wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gmail spammers have so loaded down usenet with junk spam that >>>>>>>>>> I've decided to block the domain. There are several of you >>>>>>>>>> that I really enjoy reading, like Om and HeyBub, who use >>>>>>>>>> Gmail and whose posts I will miss (guys, please switch). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I assume you mean google groups users rather than those that >>>>>>>>> have @gmail.com return addresses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You assumed wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He does, however understand how to best filter GG posters -- by >>>>>>> filtering on...well...GG. >>>>>> >>>>>> Two different issues. I don't want to filter GG users. The spam >>>>>> is with ' headers, and that is what I've eliminated. >>>>> >>>>> Tons and *tons* of clued people use gmail and show gmail email >>>>> addresses, who are not the GG spammers that are the real problem. >>>> >>>> Then why has my downloaded spam count gone down on this NG by at >>>> least 80% since I have filtered for @gmail.com in the last 24 >>>> hours? It hasn't removed it all, but at least now I can easily >>>> pick out the posts from the spam. >>> >>> Because many GG spammers do use gmail accounts. Nothing I said is >>> in conflict with that. >> >> But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. >> Whether these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake >> gmail.com doesn't matter one wit, the result is the same. >> >>> And none of the many >>> innocent gmail users. Because, see, you're actually filtering *on* >>> GG. If you're happy with an 80% improvement (and don't mind all of >>> the friendly-fire kills you'll make on non-GG-spammer gmail users), >>> go for it. >> >> I don't mind a bit. It puzzles me as to why what I do matters to >> you. Do what you want, I'll do what I find the most expediant. >> >>> Just don't think your car bomb at the market is the >>> sniper rifle that real GG filtering is. >> >> So what? I've accomplished what I wanted to accomplish. > > A partially effective, sloppy filter. And you're welcome to it. What a spot on imitation of Andy. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
Blocking Gmail
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote: > >> >> "Dave Bugg" > wrote >> >>> But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. >>> Whether these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake >>> gmail.com doesn't matter one wit, the result is the same. >> >> Dave, I've had excellent results by blocking gmail, too. >> Luckily I can exclude the posters I want to see from that >> rule as I find out who they are. >> >> Blocking gmail does a fine job of cleaning up the spammers, etc. > > It does a half-ass job. But as I look at your headers and Dave's, I > see that this is kind of moot, because your news clients can't - by > themselves - do the kind of precise filtering it takes to do it > right, as some more robust readers can. I don't need to do precise filtering to effectually drop the spam to acceptable thresholds for me. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
Blocking Gmail
Dave Bugg wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote: >> Nancy Young wrote: >> >>> >>> "Dave Bugg" > wrote >>> >>>> But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. >>>> Whether these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake >>>> gmail.com doesn't matter one wit, the result is the same. >>> >>> Dave, I've had excellent results by blocking gmail, too. >>> Luckily I can exclude the posters I want to see from that >>> rule as I find out who they are. >>> >>> Blocking gmail does a fine job of cleaning up the spammers, etc. >> >> It does a half-ass job. But as I look at your headers and Dave's, I >> see that this is kind of moot, because your news clients can't - by >> themselves - do the kind of precise filtering it takes to do it >> right, as some more robust readers can. > > I don't need to do precise filtering to effectually drop the spam to > acceptable thresholds for me. Allow me to respond to a question you had in another post, simply because I happen to be here and don't want to bother looking for that one. You asked why I seemed to care that you were using your partial filter instead of the more comprehensive one. My answer is that, mostly, I like to keep the better way in front of other users who might wish to adopt filtering, so that if they do set up something of their own they'll know how to do it right. It's kind of like the urban legend site http://snopes.com -- their objective is to sort out the legends that have a basis in fact and the legends that are pure fabrication; mine, on Usenet itself and via the UIP (see sig), is to advocate the best filtering methods for the GG problem, both to harden clients against GG posters and to avoid collateral damage. Blinky out, re this thread. Repeat: out. Happy cooking. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Blinky: http://blinkynet.net |
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:56:19 GMT, "Dave Bugg" >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine: >Then why has my downloaded spam count gone down on this NG by at least 80% >since I have filtered for @gmail.com in the last 24 hours? It hasn't removed >it all, but at least now I can easily pick out the posts from the spam. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I use commercial Agent for newsgroups and had even sent a query to their help desk on how to filter the gmail domain. Their answer was complicated and less than useful, essentially saying I couldn't. Not a computer guru (just a legal one), but after reading your post I did Ctrl+K and entered @gmail.com and all the gmail posts were marked. Bingo. Muchas gracias, Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd -- "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner." -- Duncan Hines To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox" |
Blocking Gmail
Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:56:19 GMT, "Dave Bugg" > > fired up random neurons and synapses to opine: > >> Then why has my downloaded spam count gone down on this NG by at >> least 80% since I have filtered for @gmail.com in the last 24 hours? >> It hasn't removed it all, but at least now I can easily pick out the >> posts from the spam. > > Thank you, thank you, thank you. I use commercial Agent for newsgroups > and had even sent a query to their help desk on how to filter the > gmail domain. Their answer was complicated and less than useful, > essentially saying I couldn't. Not a computer guru (just a legal one), > but after reading your post I did Ctrl+K and entered @gmail.com and > all the gmail posts were marked. Bingo. > > Muchas gracias, > Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd You're welcome, Terry. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
Blocking Gmail
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote: > >> Blinky the Shark wrote: >>> Nancy Young wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Dave Bugg" > wrote >>>> >>>>> But you keep referring to it as if it makes a difference to me. >>>>> Whether these are GG users, Gmail users or spammers who fake >>>>> gmail.com doesn't matter one wit, the result is the same. >>>> >>>> Dave, I've had excellent results by blocking gmail, too. >>>> Luckily I can exclude the posters I want to see from that >>>> rule as I find out who they are. >>>> >>>> Blocking gmail does a fine job of cleaning up the spammers, etc. >>> >>> It does a half-ass job. But as I look at your headers and Dave's, I >>> see that this is kind of moot, because your news clients can't - by >>> themselves - do the kind of precise filtering it takes to do it >>> right, as some more robust readers can. >> >> I don't need to do precise filtering to effectually drop the spam to >> acceptable thresholds for me. > > Allow me to respond to a question you had in another post, simply > because I happen to be here and don't want to bother looking for that > one. You asked why I seemed to care that you were using your partial > filter instead of the more comprehensive one. My answer is that, > mostly, I like to keep the better way in front of other users who > might wish to adopt filtering, so that if they do set up something of > their own they'll know how to do it right. Wow. How very Ego of you. Now please tell me where I asked for help, or is this just your mandate from God? > It's kind of like the > urban legend site http://snopes.com -- their objective is to sort out > the legends that have a basis in fact and the legends that are pure > fabrication; mine, on Usenet itself and via the UIP (see sig), is to > advocate the best filtering methods for the GG problem, both to > harden clients against GG posters and to avoid collateral damage. I could care less about 'collateral damage' or the fact that you percieve yourself as a filtering guru. My way is fast and efficient. > Blinky out, re this thread. No, permanently. Funny thing how well kill-files work --- with no collateral damage -- against busybodies. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
Blocking Gmail
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:10:37 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote: >I was posting via Google before I >bought this PC last week and I don't have a gmail account. Interesting. How did you do that? I always have to log in first with my gmail acct. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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