A waitress at Mr. B's Restaurant in Germantown, TN was caught using a
concealed card reader to steal customer's credit card numbers. Police
arrested her and the man allegedly behind the scheme to swipe credit card
information in establishments all over the mid-south.

http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=7437236

OB Food: Mr. B's has excellent prime steaks. And the last time I was there
for lunch one of my friends ordered ordered the smothered pork chop. I
couldn't believe the size of it! It was almost 3 inches thick, but so
tender she cut it with a fork. I usually order country fried steak and 2
veggies at lunchtime and a petite filet with a baked potato and a veggie if
I'm there for dinner.

They have a nice selection of vegetables if you prefer a veggie plate (and
no, they aren't cooked to death canned veggies). The choices vary depending
upon what they can get fresh in season, except for the southern-style white
(Great Northern) beans with ham which are canned. But then, I usually use
canned beans when I make them at home. This is one of the few restaurants
where I've seen fresh brussels sprouts on the "sides" menu from time to time


Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
was certainly not her fault.

Jill

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
>the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
>was certainly not her fault.

It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
room for fraud.

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In article >, sf says...
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
> >Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
> >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
> >was certainly not her fault.
>
> It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
> readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
> room for fraud.
>
>

There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless
terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP
passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.

And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.

On 6 Dec, 05:36, T > wrote:
> In article >, sf says...
>
> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> > wrote:
>
> > >Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
> > >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
> > >was certainly not her fault.
>
> > It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
> > readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
> > room for fraud.
>
> There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless
> terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP
> passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
>
> And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
> took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.

There's a lot more to it than WEP or WPA. some of them use cellular
technology and the authorisation piece is done under a separately
encrypted conversation between the card, reader and the authorisation
switch. The PIN pads are encrypted so that no data is transmitted in
the clear and only a valid response from the auth host is acceptable
or the transaction is rejected. If the card is cloned (and here in the
UK we only accept CHIP based transaction, magstrip is old hat) the
Bank will know and the card can be retained

Doc

In article <94e8268a-85ff-4994-bbd0-fdab721cb9c2
@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, says...
> On 6 Dec, 05:36, T > wrote:
> > In article >, sf says...
> >
> > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
> > > >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
> > > >was certainly not her fault.
> >
> > > It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
> > > readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
> > > room for fraud.
> >
> > There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless
> > terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP
> > passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
> >
> > And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
> > took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
>
> There's a lot more to it than WEP or WPA. some of them use cellular
> technology and the authorisation piece is done under a separately
> encrypted conversation between the card, reader and the authorisation
> switch. The PIN pads are encrypted so that no data is transmitted in
> the clear and only a valid response from the auth host is acceptable
> or the transaction is rejected. If the card is cloned (and here in the
> UK we only accept CHIP based transaction, magstrip is old hat) the
> Bank will know and the card can be retained
>
> Doc
>

All well and good. They probably use a keying algorithm. All you need to
do is get one of the machines and you can figure out all the encryption.

On 7 Dec, 04:49, T > wrote:
> In article <94e8268a-85ff-4994-bbd0-fdab721cb9c2
> @e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6 Dec, 05:36, T > wrote:
> > > In article >, sf says...
>
> > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
> > > > >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
> > > > >was certainly not her fault.
>
> > > > It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
> > > > readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
> > > > room for fraud.
>
> > > There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless
> > > terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP
> > > passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
>
> > > And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
> > > took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
>
> > There's a lot more to it than WEP or WPA. some of them use cellular
> > technology and the authorisation piece is done under a separately
> > encrypted conversation between the card, reader and the authorisation
> > switch. The PIN pads are encrypted so that no data is transmitted in
> > the clear and only a valid response from the auth host is acceptable
> > or the transaction is rejected. If the card is cloned (and here in the
> > UK we only accept CHIP based transaction, magstrip is old hat) the
> > Bank will know and the card can be retained
>
> > Doc
>
> All well and good. They probably use a keying algorithm. All you need to
> do is get one of the machines and you can figure out all the encryption

Nope. There is encryption per machine (they 'should' all be different)
and per card and the responses to the card have to be valid in terms
of Issuer 'fingerprints' .

Doc

In article >, ost
says...
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:36:26 -0500, T wrote:
>
> > There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless
> > terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP
> > passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
> >
> > And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
> > took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
>
> The devices (and software) themselves encrypt the data, much like
> a secure internet website. They may or may not use wireless
> encryption on top of that.
>
> -sw
>

Sort of like the credit card terminals at Stop & Shop's in southern New
England. Seems some enterprising fellows stole one and modified the
software on it and then went to numerous Stop & Shop stores and uploaded
their special package into those terminals. It recorded every card
swiped then transmitted it back to the theives. I know, my card got
caught up in the mess.

Now Stop & Shop has all brand new terminals.

Janet Baraclough wrote:

>> And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
>> took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
>
> passwords?
>
> When the card is in the machine and has been verified, the payer enters
> a PIN on the keypad (4-digit Personal Id Number). Out of view of the
> waiter.The transaction won't go through without the correct PIN.
>
> Janet. (UK)

That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.

"Goomba38" > wrote

> That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
> restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.

My American Express information was stolen and used by
someone in a local store where no one took my card out of
my sight. I don't know about this swiping business, all they
need to know is printed right there on the card. I was
lucky I just happened to notice the charges piling up on my
card while it was still only $1700.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Goomba38" > wrote
>
>> That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
>> restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.
>
> My American Express information was stolen and used by
> someone in a local store where no one took my card out of
> my sight. I don't know about this swiping business, all they
> need to know is printed right there on the card. I was
> lucky I just happened to notice the charges piling up on my
> card while it was still only $1700.
>
> nancy

But you didn't have any problems getting it off your bill, did you?
I love my AMEX card.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Goomba38" > wrote
>
>> That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
>> restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.
>
> My American Express information was stolen and used by
> someone in a local store where no one took my card out of
> my sight. I don't know about this swiping business, all they
> need to know is printed right there on the card. I was
> lucky I just happened to notice the charges piling up on my
> card while it was still only $1700.
>

I wonder how they did it?

On Dec 6, 8:55�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Goomba38" > wrote
>
> > That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
> > restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.
>
> My American Express information was stolen and used by
> someone in a local store where no one took my card out of
> my sight. �I don't know about this swiping business, all they
> need to know is printed right there on the card. �I was
> lucky I just happened to notice the charges piling up on my
> card while it was still only $1700.
>
> nancy

This is true... all someone needs is the credit card number,
expiration date, code number from the back of the card, and the
billing address... no one needs to swipe a credit card to make a
purchase on line or over the phone... and one can give any shipping
address.

But, the thing is the major credit card companys have very
sophisticated safeties built in so that a card can't make multiple
purchases, can't make simultaneous purchases, can't make purchases
within a short time frame, can't make purchases of similar items
within a particular time frame (ie. will reject for more than one TV,
vacuum cleaner, auto tires, etc. within say a one month period), and
many other features. I know this works because on a few occasions my
Visa has been rejected when I purchased an item and then went back the
next day to buy another identical item... happened at Staples when I
bought a cannon printer, and went the next day to buy one for my
brother as a gift... had to speak with a visa rep on the phone to
explain and supply certain identifying info.

It's a good idea to ask for a new card number with each new card
issued... my visa is good for three years, costs me $5 to get a new
number each time, same fee as for a reissue if you report a card lost/
stolen.

And of course everyone needs a paper shredder, and use it.. makes a
great holiday gift.

Sheldon

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Goomba38" > wrote
>
>> That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
>> restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.
>
> My American Express information was stolen and used by
> someone in a local store where no one took my card out of
> my sight. I don't know about this swiping business, all they
> need to know is printed right there on the card. I was
> lucky I just happened to notice the charges piling up on my
> card while it was still only $1700.

Happened to me with my debit card. Some guy tried to buy a laptop computer
at Overstock.com with it. Luckily, Overstock realized it wasn't me. Now
how my Paypal account got hacked the other day is beyond me. Luckily I was
online at the time but what a horrible thing to watch the hack taking place
right before your eyes. Two charges were put on the account. I got a
refund on the first one but am waiting to for the second one to respond.
Since that's a porn site, I am not too hopeful.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:45:47 -0500, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
>>> And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
>>> took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
>>
>> passwords?
>>
>> When the card is in the machine and has been verified, the payer enters
>> a PIN on the keypad (4-digit Personal Id Number). Out of view of the
>> waiter.The transaction won't go through without the correct PIN.
>>
>> Janet. (UK)
>
>That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
>restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.

I have a Mastercard credit card which has a chip and I do have to
enter my PIN. The problem with chipcards in the US is the NIH
syndrome...

Nathalie in Switzerland

Nathalie Chiva wrote:

> I have a Mastercard credit card which has a chip and I do have to
> enter my PIN. The problem with chipcards in the US is the NIH
> syndrome...
>
> Nathalie in Switzerland

National Institute of Health?? Huh?

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:45:47 -0500, in rec.food.cooking, Goomba38 wrote:

>Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
>>> And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
>>> took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
>>
>> passwords?
>>
>> When the card is in the machine and has been verified, the payer enters
>> a PIN on the keypad (4-digit Personal Id Number). Out of view of the
>> waiter.The transaction won't go through without the correct PIN.
>>
>> Janet. (UK)
>
>That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
>restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.

In the UK? I doubt it. If you don't use your pin, the vendor is
responsible for any fraud.

Doug
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Doug Weller > wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:45:47 -0500, in rec.food.cooking, Goomba38 wrote:

>>Janet Baraclough wrote:

>>> When the card is in the machine and has been verified, the payer enters
>>> a PIN on the keypad (4-digit Personal Id Number). Out of view of the
>>> waiter.The transaction won't go through without the correct PIN.
>>>
>>> Janet. (UK)

>>That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX at
>>restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN.

That's because it's a U.S. card without a PIN (or at least, a pin
of the type they need).

>In the UK? I doubt it. If you don't use your pin, the vendor is
>responsible for any fraud.

The algorithm is -- UK or Euro card with pin -- vendor requires pin;
U.S. card -- no pin required. The algorithm propogated rapidly,
soon after the switch even remote 2-pence vendors knew how to
handle the different cards.

S.
>Doug
>--
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>A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
>Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>Amun - co-owner/co-moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amun/
>

In article >,
says...
> The message >
> from T > contains these words:
>
> > In article >, sf says...
> > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's
> > > >a shame
> > > >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this
> > > >scheme. It
> > > >was certainly not her fault.
> > >
> > > It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
> > > readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
> > > room for fraud.
> > >
> > >
>
> > There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless
> > terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP
> > passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
>
> > And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they
> > took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
>
> passwords?
>
> When the card is in the machine and has been verified, the payer enters
> a PIN on the keypad (4-digit Personal Id Number). Out of view of the
> waiter.The transaction won't go through without the correct PIN.
>
> Janet. (UK)
>

That's the thing, PIN isn't required for credit card transactions here.
We sign for it, but only for purchased over $25 now.

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>> Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
>> the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
>> was certainly not her fault.
>
> It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
> readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
> room for fraud.
>

Until someone sets up an RFID scanner to grab the card info while it is
in your hand. Anytime you use any electronic device there is always the
possibility for exploits.

Thats also why I like cash. I count the change and go on with life.
There is also the side advantage that the banks are not being enriched
with all of those 3% fees that the merchant pays when you use a CC.

In article >,
lid says...
> sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
> >> the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
> >> was certainly not her fault.
> >
> > It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card
> > readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less
> > room for fraud.
> >
>
> Until someone sets up an RFID scanner to grab the card info while it is
> in your hand. Anytime you use any electronic device there is always the
> possibility for exploits.
>
> Thats also why I like cash. I count the change and go on with life.
> There is also the side advantage that the banks are not being enriched
> with all of those 3% fees that the merchant pays when you use a CC.
>

Speaking of RFID, that's already becoming prevalent for MasterCard
holders. Most terminals in places like CVS etc. have the SpeedPass
system.

And I've seen some that accept both MC and VISA now.

Just wave your card in front of it.

This is one that makes me very cautious. I've seen far too many RFID
hacks to think this is going to be secure.

Oh pshaw, on Wed 05 Dec 2007 09:23:50p, jmcquown meant to say...

> A waitress at Mr. B's Restaurant in Germantown, TN was caught using a
> concealed card reader to steal customer's credit card numbers. Police
> arrested her and the man allegedly behind the scheme to swipe credit
> card information in establishments all over the mid-south.
>
> http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=7437236
>
> OB Food: Mr. B's has excellent prime steaks. And the last time I was
> there for lunch one of my friends ordered ordered the smothered pork
> chop. I couldn't believe the size of it! It was almost 3 inches thick,
> but so tender she cut it with a fork. I usually order country fried
> steak and 2 veggies at lunchtime and a petite filet with a baked potato
> and a veggie if I'm there for dinner.
>
> They have a nice selection of vegetables if you prefer a veggie plate
> (and no, they aren't cooked to death canned veggies). The choices vary
> depending upon what they can get fresh in season, except for the
> southern-style white (Great Northern) beans with ham which are canned.
> But then, I usually use canned beans when I make them at home. This is
> one of the few restaurants where I've seen fresh brussels sprouts on the
> "sides" menu from time to time
>
>
> Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a
> shame the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this
> scheme. It was certainly not her fault.
>
> Jill
>
>
>

I think I'd use cash the next time I went.

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Date: Dec 5th,2007

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a
> > shame the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this
> > scheme. It was certainly not her fault.
> >
> > Jill
> >
>
> I think I'd use cash the next time I went.


I don't think I would be going back. I once took my wife out for a nice
lunch at a fairly new restaurant.It was nice place with good food. I paid
with Visa. When my Visa bill came in I was surprised to see two charges at
the same restuarant, one of them two days after the day we ate ther. I
called up Visa, they called the restaurant amd got some excuse about how
they thought it had not gone through properly. They were supopsed to
credut me. The credit didn't show up on the next bill. I called Visa again.
they were supposed to call the restaurant and get hard copies, and if my
signature wasn't on the bill I would not be liable for it. It went on for
months. Visa would call once in a while, and I would call them. One day
about 6 months later. I passed by while working and went in (in uniform)
and demanded repayment. They paid.

Visa happened to call a few days later and asked if it had been settled and
I told them I had collected the money. The lady said she was glad to hear
that because with the time that had passed it would be hard to get it
credited. That surprised me, since I called them as soon as I got my bill.
I have not been back to the restaurant, and I don't use Visa much any more.

For my two cents..... any business caught skimming money through bank cards
or credit cards should automatically be cut off those service.

I am now a lot more careful about where I use cards. Due to the number of
incidents I have heard of from friends of mine, I don't use cards in places
run by Muslims or Russians.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:


> For my two cents..... any business caught skimming money through bank cards
> or credit cards should automatically be cut off those service.

I suspect that it is seldom the business. They need to stay in
business. It is the employees. They lose their job? Well, they just
get another one. They take your credit card and stop off at the
restroom. Once the stall door is locked, they have everything.

Doesn't sound like it was the case for you, but it happens.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote:

>> For my two cents..... any business caught skimming money through bank cards
>> or credit cards should automatically be cut off those service.

>I suspect that it is seldom the business. They need to stay in
>business. It is the employees. They lose their job? Well, they just
>get another one. They take your credit card and stop off at the
>restroom. Once the stall door is locked, they have everything.

>Doesn't sound like it was the case for you, but it happens.

I read of one case where a restautant employee carefully stole
just a few credit card numbers per month, and after about a year
had passed and he had left that job, he hit all the stolen cards
all at once.

It took some amount of time (months) for credit-industry computers
to notice that an unusual amount of fraud had occured at cards
used at one restaurant.

This is among the many simple schemes that a European-style PIN
would protect against. But U.S. banks reckon U.S. consumers would
rather shoulder the cost of fraud than punch in a PIN.

Steve

On Dec 9, 10:46�am, Steve Pope wrote:

> This is among the many simple schemes that a
> European-style PIN would protect against. �But U.S.
> banks reckon U.S. consumers would rather shoulder
> the cost of fraud than punch in a PIN.

My USA style PIN is a four digit number. Is a European
PIN different?

On Dec 7, 9:11 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:


When my Visa bill came in I was surprised to see two charges at
> the same restuarant, one of them two days after the day we ate ther.

I don't even wait for the bill to come in. I call my cr. cd's
automated service every morning or check the online site and check on
the total and recent activity. It takes about a minute and is worth
the peace of mind. I don't want to wait as long as a month for any
nasty surprises to show up. Barney Fife checking out here -"Nip it in
the bud."

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:49:13 -0800 (PST), val189
> wrote:

>On Dec 7, 9:11 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
> When my Visa bill came in I was surprised to see two charges at
>> the same restuarant, one of them two days after the day we ate ther.
>
>I don't even wait for the bill to come in. I call my cr. cd's
>automated service every morning or check the online site and check on
>the total and recent activity. It takes about a minute and is worth
>the peace of mind. I don't want to wait as long as a month for any
>nasty surprises to show up. Barney Fife checking out here -"Nip it in
>the bud."

Hubby does that too. He checks the checking account also.

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Dave Smith wrote:

> I am now a lot more careful about where I use cards. Due to the number of
> incidents I have heard of from friends of mine, I don't use cards in places
> run by Muslims or Russians.


Or Arabs...

Used my Visa down the street at an Arab - run convenience store, when
I got the bill they had triple - charged me (it was not for a large
amount). Heard this from other people, too...

I NAILED the f*ckers when I called the City of Chicago Health Dept. on
them and turned them in - they were turning OFF their fridge and
freezer cases at night to save on the power bill so those items were
spoiling. City also got 'em for taxes, saw a big orange Department of
Revenue "closed" sticker on the door shortly after...

Guess they forgot they weren't running a store in the heart of the
ghetto...

:-)

Russians and Arabs (and Muslims) are TOTALLY dishonest, they'll always
try to cheat or take advantage or whatever...they've a thieving
mindset. You have to realise that graft, cheating, corruption, are
ingrained in their cultures...that's why those places are such
********s to live in.


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Greg

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:26:35 -0800 (PST), Gregory Morrow
> wrote:
>
>Russians and Arabs (and Muslims) are TOTALLY dishonest, they'll always
>try to cheat or take advantage or whatever...they've a thieving
>mindset. You have to realise that graft, cheating, corruption, are
>ingrained in their cultures...that's why those places are such
>********s to live in.

yeah and queers are all disease-ridden. grow the **** up.

your pal,
blake

Oh pshaw, on Wed 05 Dec 2007 09:23:50p, jmcquown meant to say...

> A waitress at Mr. B's Restaurant in Germantown, TN was caught using a
> concealed card reader to steal customer's credit card numbers. Police
> arrested her and the man allegedly behind the scheme to swipe credit
> card information in establishments all over the mid-south.
>
> http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=7437236
>
> OB Food: Mr. B's has excellent prime steaks. And the last time I was
> there for lunch one of my friends ordered ordered the smothered pork
> chop. I couldn't believe the size of it! It was almost 3 inches thick,
> but so tender she cut it with a fork. I usually order country fried
> steak and 2 veggies at lunchtime and a petite filet with a baked potato
> and a veggie if I'm there for dinner.
>
> They have a nice selection of vegetables if you prefer a veggie plate
> (and no, they aren't cooked to death canned veggies). The choices vary
> depending upon what they can get fresh in season, except for the
> southern-style white (Great Northern) beans with ham which are canned.
> But then, I usually use canned beans when I make them at home. This is
> one of the few restaurants where I've seen fresh brussels sprouts on the
> "sides" menu from time to time
>
>
> Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a
> shame the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this
> scheme. It was certainly not her fault.
>
> Jill
>
>
>

Come to think of it, the last place I ate at was this very restaurant back
in 2000 when David and I were on our Drive to Phoenix in our move out here.
The food was excellent.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Dec 5th,2007

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Wed 05 Dec 2007 09:23:50p, jmcquown meant to say...
>
>> OB Food: Mr. B's has excellent prime steaks. And the last time I
>> was there for lunch one of my friends ordered ordered the smothered
>> pork chop. I couldn't believe the size of it! It was almost 3
>> inches thick, but so tender she cut it with a fork. I usually order
>> country fried steak and 2 veggies at lunchtime and a petite filet
>> with a baked potato and a veggie if I'm there for dinner.
>>
>
> Come to think of it, the last place I ate at was this very restaurant
> back in 2000 when David and I were on our Drive to Phoenix in our
> move out here. The food was excellent.

I've never been disappointed with their food. Great prices, too. And very
good service... at least until this particular server decided she needed
free phone cards and a little extra cash was worth stealing people's credit
card numbers.

Jill

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:26:18a, Sqwertz meant to say...

> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:04:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> Come to think of it, the last place I ate at was this very restaurant
>> back in 2000 when David and I were on our Drive to Phoenix in our move
>> out here.
>
> You haven't eaten for over 7 years?
>
> -sw
>

I would certainly be much thinner if that were true. No, it was the last
time I ate at that particular restaurant. <but you knew that>

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Thursday, December 6th,2007

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Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 03:01:11p, Sqwertz meant to say...

> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:32:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:26:18a, Sqwertz meant to say...
>>
>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:04:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come to think of it, the last place I ate at was this very restaurant
>>>> back in 2000 when David and I were on our Drive to Phoenix in our move
>>>> out here.
>>>
>>> You haven't eaten for over 7 years?
>>
>> I would certainly be much thinner if that were true. No, it was the
last
>> time I ate at that particular restaurant. <but you knew that>
>
> Not really. The way you worded it left a few avenues of
> speculation open.
>
> Just trying to get in as many wiseass remarks to tide you over
> for that week you'll be offline :-)
>
> -sw
>

Oh, well, one can surmise anything. Obviously, I omitted "When I was in
Memphis". No one else seemed to have a comprehension problem.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: December 6th,2007

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 03:01:11p, Sqwertz meant to say...
>
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:32:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:26:18a, Sqwertz meant to say...
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:04:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Come to think of it, the last place I ate at was this very
>>>>> restaurant back in 2000 when David and I were on our Drive to
>>>>> Phoenix in our move out here.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't eaten for over 7 years?
>>>
>>> I would certainly be much thinner if that were true. No, it was
>>> the last time I ate at that particular restaurant. <but you knew
>>> that>
>>
>> Not really. The way you worded it left a few avenues of
>> speculation open.
>>
>> Just trying to get in as many wiseass remarks to tide you over
>> for that week you'll be offline :-)
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> Oh, well, one can surmise anything. Obviously, I omitted "When I was
> in Memphis". No one else seemed to have a comprehension problem.

Except technically, the restaurant is in Germantown

Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 05:13:14p, jmcquown meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 03:01:11p, Sqwertz meant to say...
>>
>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:32:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:26:18a, Sqwertz meant to say...
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:04:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Come to think of it, the last place I ate at was this very
>>>>>> restaurant back in 2000 when David and I were on our Drive to
>>>>>> Phoenix in our move out here.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't eaten for over 7 years?
>>>>
>>>> I would certainly be much thinner if that were true. No, it was
>>>> the last time I ate at that particular restaurant. <but you knew
>>>> that>
>>>
>>> Not really. The way you worded it left a few avenues of
>>> speculation open.
>>>
>>> Just trying to get in as many wiseass remarks to tide you over
>>> for that week you'll be offline :-)
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>>
>> Oh, well, one can surmise anything. Obviously, I omitted "When I was
>> in Memphis". No one else seemed to have a comprehension problem.
>
> Except technically, the restaurant is in Germantown
>
>
>

Well, yes, so is my cousin's house, but I staying in Memphis.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Dec(XII) 6(VI),2007(MMVII)

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On Dec 5, 10:23 pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> A waitress at Mr. B's Restaurant in Germantown, TN was caught using a
> concealed card reader to steal customer's credit card numbers. Police
> arrested her and the man allegedly behind the scheme to swipe credit card
> information in establishments all over the mid-south.
>
> http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=7437236
>
> OB Food: Mr. B's has excellent prime steaks. And the last time I was there
> for lunch one of my friends ordered ordered the smothered pork chop. I
> couldn't believe the size of it! It was almost 3 inches thick, but so
> tender she cut it with a fork. I usually order country fried steak and 2
> veggies at lunchtime and a petite filet with a baked potato and a veggie if
> I'm there for dinner.
>
> They have a nice selection of vegetables if you prefer a veggie plate (and
> no, they aren't cooked to death canned veggies). The choices vary depending
> upon what they can get fresh in season, except for the southern-style white
> (Great Northern) beans with ham which are canned.

My mother used to make those. They'd cook all day. We had an
arrangement. She would let me know when she was making them, and I'd
spend the night at my buddy's house because the smell of Great
Northern beans makes me ill.
One day she forgot, and it was not pretty. It was one of the very few
times I ever treated her disrespectfully.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

<<Mr. B's Restaurant in Germantown, TN...Normally there's a long wait
unless you get there very early. It's a shame the owner is reporting
business has dropped off because of this scheme. It was certainly not
her fault. >>

I frequent the Border's Bookstore that's right next to this
restaurant, and the smell of steak wafting from the restaurant is
heavenly. However, I've only eaten at this this restaurant a few
times and I've found the service to be poor. It seems to do very
well, though; I'm sure the business will recover very soon.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> A waitress at Mr. B's Restaurant in Germantown, TN was caught using a
> concealed card reader to steal customer's credit card numbers. Police
> arrested her and the man allegedly behind the scheme to swipe credit card
> information in establishments all over the mid-south.
>
> http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=7437236
>
> OB Food: Mr. B's has excellent prime steaks. And the last time I was there
> for lunch one of my friends ordered ordered the smothered pork chop. I
> couldn't believe the size of it! It was almost 3 inches thick, but so
> tender she cut it with a fork. I usually order country fried steak and 2
> veggies at lunchtime and a petite filet with a baked potato and a veggie if
> I'm there for dinner.
>
> They have a nice selection of vegetables if you prefer a veggie plate (and
> no, they aren't cooked to death canned veggies). The choices vary depending
> upon what they can get fresh in season, except for the southern-style white
> (Great Northern) beans with ham which are canned. But then, I usually use
> canned beans when I make them at home. This is one of the few restaurants
> where I've seen fresh brussels sprouts on the "sides" menu from time to time
>
>
> Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame
> the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It
> was certainly not her fault.

That really sucks. This goes to show you that small business owners who
rely on employees to process credit card transactions have to watch them
like a hawk.

Stan Horwitz wrote:

>
> That really sucks. This goes to show you that small business owners who
> rely on employees to process credit card transactions have to watch them
> like a hawk.

I would be more concerned about big box restaurants. Some of the most
carelessly and cluelessly run places are the mega over advertised big
box places.

Stan Horwitz wrote:
>
> That really sucks. This goes to show you that small business owners who
> rely on employees to process credit card transactions have to watch them
> like a hawk.


I have a question about these schemes. What's the effect on the card
holder? The card holder gets a bill with incorrect charges on it. This
might be immediately after dining in a restaurant or months later as the
dishonest employee has waited that long. Cardholder notifies Company.
Company cannot immediately identify source of problem/error/theft. Now
what? Is Cardholder held responsible? What does Cardholder have to do
to prove theft is not theirs? I'm almost thinking that being the victim
in a big theft would be better. I'd have an easier time convincing
Company that I didn't order thousands of dollars in electronics than I
would convincing them that the $100 extra charge for housewares aren't mine.


--Lia