Hey all.

Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the fridge?
I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and pepperoni) sliced
and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket. This deli in
particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag
with a slider zipper.

I'm thinking in the long run it will be cheaper to buy these meats from the
deli on a regular basis. I'm trying to figure out how much to plan to buy
on a weekly basis, half pound, full pound, etc. Normally, I'll have at
least six sandwiches a week using these meats. In the past we've not had a
problem with the meat going bad, with buying only half a pound of each.

Just looking for a little guidance here is all. Many thanks!

--
-Glasswalker-

"... anything defined surely loses its truth, for it becomes unmalleable and
unworkable. Truth is universal, and changes as what it describe changes."

-Anatole 09.05.99

Glasswalker wrote:
>
> Hey all.
>
> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the fridge?
> I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and pepperoni) sliced
> and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket. This deli in
> particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag
> with a slider zipper.
>
> I'm thinking in the long run it will be cheaper to buy these meats from the
> deli on a regular basis. I'm trying to figure out how much to plan to buy
> on a weekly basis, half pound, full pound, etc. Normally, I'll have at
> least six sandwiches a week using these meats. In the past we've not had a
> problem with the meat going bad, with buying only half a pound of each.
>
> Just looking for a little guidance here is all. Many thanks!
>
> --
> -Glasswalker-
>
> "... anything defined surely loses its truth, for it becomes unmalleable and
> unworkable. Truth is universal, and changes as what it describe changes."
>
> -Anatole 09.05.99

If you're not buying in big-time bulk and you use the meats within a
week or two or even three, then there's no worry! Sounds like this is
the case by your description. But, if you want to keep the deli meats
for 6-weeks or longer or more, then that's another matter. Personally,
I don't want to keep deli meats that long, but who knows, perhaps some
folks do? For my usage, I tend to buy by a pound or less - just depends
on the meat(s).

Sky, who cooks - and eats - for one most of the time

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

"Glasswalker" wrote:
>
> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the fridge?
> I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and pepperoni) sliced
> and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket. This deli in
> particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag
> with a slider zipper.
>
> I'm thinking in the long run it will be cheaper to buy these meats from the
> deli on a regular basis. I'm trying to figure out how much to plan to buy
> on a weekly basis, half pound, full pound, etc. Normally, I'll have at
> least six sandwiches a week using these meats. In the past we've not had a
> problem with the meat going bad, with buying only half a pound of each.
>
> Just looking for a little guidance here is all.

Under the best conditions, assuming that deli is using proper
procedures, you should be able to safely store sliced cold cuts for a
week, but no longer. But no deli uses good cold cut hygiene these
days so you need to modify your expectations. Actually I wouldn't buy
more sliced cold cuts than I could use in four days. You might want
to consider obtaining a slicing machine, buying cold cuts by the
piece, and slicing your own as needed. The thing about cold cuts is
as soon as it's sliced all that surface area is exposed and any
bacteria that was on the surface is now on the surface of all the
exposed sliced areas... really no different from preground mystery
meat... except I'll assume you are not going to cook cold cuts... so
be very careful.

Sheldon

"Glasswalker" > wrote in
:

> Hey all.
>
> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in
> the fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami,
> pastrami, and pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in
> the local supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat
> with some paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a
> slider zipper.

7 days, for me, would be the max.
Your nose and eyes should help you
tell if it goes bad sooner.

"Glasswalker" > wrote in message
.. .
> Hey all.
>
> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the fridge?
> I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and pepperoni)
> sliced and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket. This deli in
> particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it in a zip top
> bag with a slider zipper.
>
> I'm thinking in the long run it will be cheaper to buy these meats from
> the deli on a regular basis. I'm trying to figure out how much to plan to
> buy on a weekly basis, half pound, full pound, etc. Normally, I'll have
> at least six sandwiches a week using these meats. In the past we've not
> had a problem with the meat going bad, with buying only half a pound of
> each.
>
> Just looking for a little guidance here is all. Many thanks!
>
> --
> -Glasswalker-


Just wanted to say thanks for all the info. Especially Sheldon, it didn't
even occur to me about the increase in the surface area of the meat.

Also, while I don't necessarily cook the meat, I will run it under the
broiler. Sometimes I'll throw it in the skillet with some onions and what
not, but honestly I wouldn't think it would be enough to do any good as far
as 'cleaning' the meat.

Thanks again!

-Glasswalker-

Glasswalker wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some paper,
> and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>
Read the "use by" date on the package. It's really not that difficult a
concept.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Glasswalker wrote:
>> Hey all.
>>
>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some paper,
>> and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>
> Read the "use by" date on the package. It's really not that difficult a
> concept.

It might not have one on it. They don't always put one on there at delis.
Most of the fresh sandwiches I've seen here made up have a sell by date that
is the following day. I am thinking because the meat is constantly being
taken out and sliced, it isn't going to keep fresh like pre-packaged meat
would. I would probably use it within a couple of days.

jmcquown wrote:

> Glasswalker wrote:
> > Hey all.
> >
> > Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> > fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> > pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> > supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
> > paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
> >
> Read the "use by" date on the package.

What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
never seen any dates on those.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Default User" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Glasswalker wrote:
>> > Hey all.
>> >
>> > Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>> > fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>> > pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>> > supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>> > paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>> >
>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>
> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
> never seen any dates on those.

I have at some places. But not others.

"Julie Bove" > wrote

> "Default User" > wrote

>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>> > Hey all.
>>> >
>>> > Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>> > fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>>> > pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>> > supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>> > paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>> >
>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>
>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
>> never seen any dates on those.
>
> I have at some places. But not others.

As far as I'm concerned, the clock starts ticking really loud
the minute you open most deli meats, be they store sliced or
prepackaged. Once I make that first turkey sandwich, I
eat the rest within another two ... maaybe three days, or out
it goes.

Funny, when people talk about leftovers, they say
three days old? throw it out! Yet deli meat, sure, keep
it a week? I'd take my chances on the leftovers over
week old deli sliced ham.

My rule, only buy as much as you can eat in three days.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the clock starts ticking really loud
> the minute you open most deli meats, be they store sliced or
> prepackaged. Once I make that first turkey sandwich, I
> eat the rest within another two ... maaybe three days, or out
> it goes.
>
> Funny, when people talk about leftovers, they say
> three days old? throw it out! Yet deli meat, sure, keep
> it a week? I'd take my chances on the leftovers over
> week old deli sliced ham.
>
> My rule, only buy as much as you can eat in three days.

Excellent rule!

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>>> Hey all.
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>>>
>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>
>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
>> never seen any dates on those.
>
> I have at some places. But not others.

Maybe the supermarket deli is different where I live. They slap a sticker on
the bag of deli meats that you buy.

Jill

On Oct 6, 1:07?am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Glasswalker wrote:
> > Hey all.
>
> > Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> > fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> > pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> > supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some paper,
> > and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>
> Read the "use by" date on the package. It's really not that difficult a
> concept.

Huh? There's no use-by date on deli-sliced cold cuts. Oops,
forgot... you're obviously an Oscar Mayer boloney gal.

On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Glasswalker wrote:
> > > Hey all.
>
> > > Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> > > fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> > > pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> > > supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
> > > paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>
> > Read the "use by" date on the package.
>
> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
> never seen any dates on those.

You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.

Most stand alone delis don't have printing scales, you get no label.
The only reason stupidmarkets have a print scale is for inventory
control... also reminds the deli clerk that big brother is watching.

On Oct 6, 9:54?am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Default User" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> jmcquown wrote:
>
> >>> Glasswalker wrote:
> >>>> Hey all.
>
> >>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> >>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> >>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> >>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
> >>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>
> >>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>
> >> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
> >> never seen any dates on those.
>
> > I have at some places. But not others.
>
> Maybe the supermarket deli is different where I live. They slap a sticker on
> the bag of deli meats that you buy.

Of course they slap a sticker on, but there is no use-by date... only
a date of sale. No cold cuts (in the US) are labeled with a use-by
date, not even factory sealed, those only have a sell-by date.

Those sell-by dates are pretty meaningless anyway, they are only a
guide, a very rough guide... because one has no way to know how that
refrigerated food was handled/stored from the time it left the plant
until the consumer actually consumes it... even consumers do not
properly handle foods, in fact consumers themselves are the biggest
offenders.

Stupidmarket delis practice the worst food safety habits. The small
stand alone delis and privately owned butcher shops are the best
places to buy custom sliced cold cuts. But regardless, once cold cuts
are sliced the bacteria levels rise at the speed of light. Never buy
more cold cuts than you can use in a couple-three days, regardless of
on-sale... in the US there will be cold cuts on sale every day.

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:
> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>>> Hey all.
>>
>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>
>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>
>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
>> never seen any dates on those.
>
> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
> it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
> packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
> but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
> sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
> a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>
You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher to
grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts. I despise cold
sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can slap on a sticker that
says "use by".

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>>>> Hey all.
>>>
>>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>>>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>>
>>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>>
>>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
>>> never seen any dates on those.
>>
>> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
>> it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
>> packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
>> but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
>> sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
>> a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>>
> You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher to
> grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts. I despise cold
> sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can slap on a sticker
> that
> says "use by".
>
I would think the supermarket/deli would be opening themselves up to a
liability lawsuit if they did that. A 'use-by' date only applies to the
unopened package. In this case the unopened package would be the entire
hunk of bologna or cheese or whatever that the deli cuts from. Depending
upon when they cut into the primary cut, how quickly it is being sold and
how it was handled, as Sheldon says, the clock is ticking.
Janet

Janet B. wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>>>>> Hey all.
>>>>
>>>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami,
>>>>>> and pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>>>
>>>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>>>
>>>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli.
>>>> I've never seen any dates on those.
>>>
>>> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$
>>> label it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by
>>> date.... pre- packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a
>>> *sell*-by date but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no
>>> use-by date, only a sell-by date. But then Jill is different from
>>> the rest of us, she has a butcher buddy who fills her personal
>>> needs.
>>>
>> You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the
>> butcher to grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts.
>> I despise cold sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can
>> slap on a sticker that
>> says "use by".
>>
> I would think the supermarket/deli would be opening themselves up to a
> liability lawsuit if they did that. A 'use-by' date only applies to
> the unopened package. In this case the unopened package would be the
> entire hunk of bologna or cheese or whatever that the deli cuts from.
> Depending upon when they cut into the primary cut, how quickly it is
> being sold and how it was handled, as Sheldon says, the clock is
> ticking.
> Janet

And as I said for the last 10 years on rfc, I don't eat cold sandwiches. So
I don't buy "fresh" sliced deli meats. But I can't see how putting a
warning on them would open them up to lawsuits. More like the defendant
saying, "They didn't tell me! Now I want $10,000,000! because I was stupid
enough to eat green deli sliced meat!"

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Janet B. wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey all.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>>>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami,
>>>>>>> and pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>>>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>>>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>>>>
>>>>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli.
>>>>> I've never seen any dates on those.
>>>>
>>>> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$
>>>> label it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by
>>>> date.... pre- packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a
>>>> *sell*-by date but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no
>>>> use-by date, only a sell-by date. But then Jill is different from
>>>> the rest of us, she has a butcher buddy who fills her personal
>>>> needs.
>>>>
>>> You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the
>>> butcher to grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts.
>>> I despise cold sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can
>>> slap on a sticker that
>>> says "use by".
>>>
>> I would think the supermarket/deli would be opening themselves up to a
>> liability lawsuit if they did that. A 'use-by' date only applies to
>> the unopened package. In this case the unopened package would be the
>> entire hunk of bologna or cheese or whatever that the deli cuts from.
>> Depending upon when they cut into the primary cut, how quickly it is
>> being sold and how it was handled, as Sheldon says, the clock is
>> ticking.
>> Janet
>
> And as I said for the last 10 years on rfc, I don't eat cold sandwiches.
> So
> I don't buy "fresh" sliced deli meats. But I can't see how putting a
> warning on them would open them up to lawsuits. More like the defendant
> saying, "They didn't tell me! Now I want $10,000,000! because I was stupid
> enough to eat green deli sliced meat!"
>
> Jill
>
I wasn't commenting on whether or not you purchased sandwich meat. My point
was that if the meat were near spoilage or the buyer handled the meat
incorrectly, putting a label on the package that said use by a particular
date is the same as saying that the meat is guaranteed to be good until
then. The buyer can then argue that the meat went bad before then and the
store was at fault for food poisoning or whatever. See?
Janet

Janet B. wrote in message >...

>The buyer can then argue that the meat went bad before then and the
>store was at fault for food poisoning or whatever. See?


he assumes it's one in Minneapolis

mk5000

"the monster in the middle of the road"--Bob Taft

On Oct 6, 4:40?pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>> Glasswalker wrote:
> >>>> Hey all.
>
> >>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> >>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> >>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> >>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
> >>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>
> >>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>
> >> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
> >> never seen any dates on those.
>
> > You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
> > it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
> > packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
> > but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
> > sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
> > a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>
> You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher to
> grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts. I despise cold
> sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can slap on a sticker that
> says "use by.

Musta slapped a use-by sticker on your pea brain 'cause it long, long
ago expired.

On Oct 6, 5:04?pm, "Janet B." > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> Glasswalker wrote:
> >>>>> Hey all.
>
> >>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> >>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> >>>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> >>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
> >>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>
> >>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>
> >>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
> >>> never seen any dates on those.
>
> >> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
> >> it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
> >> packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
> >> but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
> >> sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
> >> a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>
> > You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher to
> > grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts. I despise cold
> > sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can slap on a sticker
> > that
> > says "use by".
>
> I would think the supermarket/deli would be opening themselves up to a
> liability lawsuit if they did that. A 'use-by' date only applies to the
> unopened package. In this case the unopened package would be the entire
> hunk of bologna or cheese or whatever that the deli cuts from. Depending
> upon when they cut into the primary cut, how quickly it is being sold and
> how it was handled, as Sheldon says, the clock is ticking.


Even the cold cut chunk the delis slice from have no use-by date, they
have a sell-by date. A use-by date is synonymous with an expiration
date, it's reserved for drugs. Some foods do have a "best used by
date", but that's a huge difference from "use-by". But you won't find
a best use-by date on foods that can spoil... carbonated beverages are
marked with a best used by date, but that only refers to quality
issues, not safety issues.

jmcquown wrote:

>
> Maybe the supermarket deli is different where I live. They slap a sticker on
> the bag of deli meats that you buy.
>
> Jill
>
>

And I'll bet each one is the same. Do you really think they take the
time to put the correct dates on each package based on the age of the
hunk of meat they sliced?

Go have another martini.

-fh

On Oct 6, 4:40?pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>> Glasswalker wrote:
> >>>> Hey all.
>
> >>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> >>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> >>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
> >>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
> >>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>
> >>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>
> >> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
> >> never seen any dates on those.
>
> > You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
> > it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
> > packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
> > but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
> > sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
> > a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>
> You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher to
> grind meat for you.

You haven't as clue, you never worked in the food industry, not in any
capacity.

Before cryovac I had the "butcher" grind meat for me lots of times.
You're much too immature to remember those days. I'm positive that
you've never been to a real butcher shop with real butchers... there
are no butchers in retail food stores anymore, haven't been for nigh
on forty years, only meat cutters. You'd need to go to a specialty
meat purveyer who raises and slaughters their own stock to find a real
butcher, you wouldn't want to pay those prices... or you'd need to go
to a kosher butcher shop, you not want to pay those prices either.
I'm positive that you've never seen a real butcher, let alone spoken
to one. A meat cutter is not a butcher, a meat cutter is a butcher
like a hair dresser is a barber.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Oct 6, 5:04?pm, "Janet B." > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Sheldon wrote:
>> >> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>> >>> jmcquown wrote:
>> >>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>> >>>>> Hey all.
>>
>> >>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>> >>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>> >>>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>> >>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>> >>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>
>> >>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>
>> >>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
>> >>> never seen any dates on those.
>>
>> >> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
>> >> it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
>> >> packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
>> >> but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
>> >> sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
>> >> a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>>
>> > You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher
>> > to
>> > grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts. I despise
>> > cold
>> > sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can slap on a sticker
>> > that
>> > says "use by".
>>
>> I would think the supermarket/deli would be opening themselves up to a
>> liability lawsuit if they did that. A 'use-by' date only applies to the
>> unopened package. In this case the unopened package would be the entire
>> hunk of bologna or cheese or whatever that the deli cuts from. Depending
>> upon when they cut into the primary cut, how quickly it is being sold and
>> how it was handled, as Sheldon says, the clock is ticking.
>
>
> Even the cold cut chunk the delis slice from have no use-by date, they
> have a sell-by date. A use-by date is synonymous with an expiration
> date, it's reserved for drugs. Some foods do have a "best used by
> date", but that's a huge difference from "use-by". But you won't find
> a best use-by date on foods that can spoil... carbonated beverages are
> marked with a best used by date, but that only refers to quality
> issues, not safety issues.
>
You are right, I stand corrected.
Janet

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Oct 6, 5:04?pm, "Janet B." > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Sheldon wrote:
>> >> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>> >>> jmcquown wrote:
>> >>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>> >>>>> Hey all.
>>
>> >>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>> >>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>> >>>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>> >>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>> >>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>
>> >>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>
>> >>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
>> >>> never seen any dates on those.
>>
>> >> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
>> >> it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
>> >> packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
>> >> but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
>> >> sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
>> >> a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>>
>> > You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher
>> > to
>> > grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts. I despise
>> > cold
>> > sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can slap on a sticker
>> > that
>> > says "use by".
>>
>> I would think the supermarket/deli would be opening themselves up to a
>> liability lawsuit if they did that. A 'use-by' date only applies to the
>> unopened package. In this case the unopened package would be the entire
>> hunk of bologna or cheese or whatever that the deli cuts from. Depending
>> upon when they cut into the primary cut, how quickly it is being sold and
>> how it was handled, as Sheldon says, the clock is ticking.
>
>
> Even the cold cut chunk the delis slice from have no use-by date, they
> have a sell-by date. A use-by date is synonymous with an expiration
> date, it's reserved for drugs. Some foods do have a "best used by
> date", but that's a huge difference from "use-by". But you won't find
> a best use-by date on foods that can spoil... carbonated beverages are
> marked with a best used by date, but that only refers to quality
> issues, not safety issues.
>
You are right, I stand corrected.
Janet

In article >,
"Glasswalker" > wrote:

> Hey all.
>
> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the fridge?
> I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and pepperoni) sliced
> and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket. This deli in
> particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag
> with a slider zipper.
>
> I'm thinking in the long run it will be cheaper to buy these meats from the
> deli on a regular basis. I'm trying to figure out how much to plan to buy
> on a weekly basis, half pound, full pound, etc. Normally, I'll have at
> least six sandwiches a week using these meats. In the past we've not had a
> problem with the meat going bad, with buying only half a pound of each.
>
> Just looking for a little guidance here is all. Many thanks!

3-5 days is the usual recommendation, sometimes 24-48 hours. So much
surface exposed to promote rapid spoilage, I guess. Check the USDA for
recommendations.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Dinner at Yummy! 9-15-2007 Pictures included.

Glasswalker wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket.
> This deli in particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it
> in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>

I think if you are getting meats like salami or pepperoni having them go
the whole week is ok. If it is turkey or roast beef type of meat I
would only expect to keep it around 2-3 days.

--
Queenie

*** Be the change you wish to see in the world ***

"MayQueen" > wrote

> Glasswalker wrote:
>> Hey all.
>>
>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the fridge?
>> I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and pepperoni)
>> sliced and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket. This deli
>> in particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it in a zip
>> top bag with a slider zipper.
>>
>
> I think if you are getting meats like salami or pepperoni having them go
> the whole week is ok. If it is turkey or roast beef type of meat I would
> only expect to keep it around 2-3 days.

Agreed.

nancy

On Oct 7, 11:25?am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "MayQueen" > wrote
>
> > Glasswalker wrote:
> >> Hey all.
>
> >> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the fridge?
> >> I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and pepperoni)
> >> sliced and purchased from the deli in the local supermarket. This deli
> >> in particular wraps the meat with some paper, and then puts it in a zip
> >> top bag with a slider zipper.
>
> > I think if you are getting meats like salami or pepperoni having them go
> > the whole week is ok. If it is turkey or roast beef type of meat I would
> > only expect to keep it around 2-3 days.
>
> Agreed.

Turkey being poultry is probably the most vulnerable (depends a lot on
whether it's whole turkey breast or that pressed gelatinized garbage -
the whole lasts a bit longer). But with salami and pepperoni, once
sliced it doesn't hold any better than were it bologna, ham, olive
loaf, or any other. It's the 'cutting' that causes cold 'cuts' to
grow bacteria rapidly. With dry/fermented sausage (salami,
pepperoni) it's best to buy whole pieces and slice at home as needed,
but once sliced, even at home, all that exposed surface makes a
perfect medium for bacteria to flourish.

People should also be aware of how the deli where they shop adheres to
proper food handling practices... makes a big difference on shelf life
(and most importantly your health) or if their provisions are fit to
eat at all. Proper refrigeration goes without saying... if they are
leaving meats out on the counter don't shop there... they should take
only one piece from the fridge at a time and return it before working
on the next item... saving foot steps has no place in a deli. Their
meats should not be sitting directly on a tray, they need to be up on
some sort of grid, if there's any liquid accumulation in the trays
absolutely do not shop there. Observe whether they throw away the
first slice, if not do not shop there. Look at the plastic wrap they
use to cover the ends of the meat, it should be clean and changed
often. Slicers should be cleaned often and separate slicers used for
meat and cheese. Check out the appearance of the clerks, they should
have short hair and well covered with caps, and no facial hair at
all. No long finger nails and no nail polish should be tolerated, not
even under those plastic gloves.... most times those gloves do
nothing, not if they touch anything other than food. Observe that
they don't chat with each other as they handle foods, they should
never speak while slicing... I don't know about you but I don't like
spittle on my cold cuts. If you notice violations speak to the store
manager, but in most cases it's best to change where you shop.

Sheldon

>> I think if you are getting meats like salami or pepperoni having
>> them go the whole week is ok. If it is turkey or roast beef type of
>> meat I would only expect to keep it around 2-3 days.

I never buy ready cooked meats. I am squeamish about them. I much prefer
to buy a small joint, cook that and slice it up myself

But that's just me

On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:40:09 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Sheldon wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>>>> Hey all.
>>>
>>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami, and
>>>>> pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>>
>>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>>
>>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli. I've
>>> never seen any dates on those.
>>
>> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$ label
>> it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by date.... pre-
>> packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a *sell*-by date
>> but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no use-by date, only a
>> sell-by date. But then Jill is different from the rest of us, she has
>> a butcher buddy who fills her personal needs.
>>
>You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the butcher to
>grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts. I despise cold
>sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can slap on a sticker that
>says "use by".
>
is there any topic you don't know anything about that you're unwilling
to offer your opinion on?

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:13:02 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Janet B. wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Oct 6, 1:29?am, "Default User" > wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> Glasswalker wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey all.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wondering how long deli meat can be expected to store in the
>>>>>>> fridge? I'm talking about meat (in this case salami, pastrami,
>>>>>>> and pepperoni) sliced and purchased from the deli in the local
>>>>>>> supermarket. This deli in particular wraps the meat with some
>>>>>>> paper, and then puts it in a zip top bag with a slider zipper.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the "use by" date on the package.
>>>>>
>>>>> What package? He's talking about stuff purchased from the deli.
>>>>> I've never seen any dates on those.
>>>>
>>>> You never will. If they have a scale that generates a weight/$$
>>>> label it will also print the date of sale, but not a use-by
>>>> date.... pre- packaged, factory sealed cold cuts are labeled with a
>>>> *sell*-by date but not a use-by date. Even fresh meats have no
>>>> use-by date, only a sell-by date. But then Jill is different from
>>>> the rest of us, she has a butcher buddy who fills her personal
>>>> needs.
>>>>
>>> You're just jealous because you never thought about asking the
>>> butcher to grind meat for you. At any rate, I don't buy cold cuts.
>>> I despise cold sandwiches. But I'm pretty sure at the deli they can
>>> slap on a sticker that
>>> says "use by".
>>>
>> I would think the supermarket/deli would be opening themselves up to a
>> liability lawsuit if they did that. A 'use-by' date only applies to
>> the unopened package. In this case the unopened package would be the
>> entire hunk of bologna or cheese or whatever that the deli cuts from.
>> Depending upon when they cut into the primary cut, how quickly it is
>> being sold and how it was handled, as Sheldon says, the clock is
>> ticking.
>> Janet
>
>And as I said for the last 10 years on rfc, I don't eat cold sandwiches. So
>I don't buy "fresh" sliced deli meats. But I can't see how putting a
>warning on them would open them up to lawsuits. More like the defendant
>saying, "They didn't tell me! Now I want $10,000,000! because I was stupid
>enough to eat green deli sliced meat!"
>
>Jill
>

is there any topic you don't know anything about that you're unwilling
to offer you opinion on?

your pal,
blake