I don't know why.... ;-) If it's fake, can it be authentic? <VBG>

Fake Wild Boar adapted from German Cooking
http://recipes.wuzzle.org/index.php/55/1206


a.. 7 1/2 Pounds Rolled Pork Roast -- boneless
b.. 25 Juniper Berries -- crushed
c.. Salt And Pepper -- to taste
d.. 5/8 Cup Olive Oil
e.. 1 1/4 Cups Dry Red Wine
f.. 5/8 Cup Water
g.. 1 1/4 Cups Sour Cream
h.. 2 1/2 Tablespoons Flour

rub meat with juniper berries, salt and pepper. let stand 20
minutes.
saute meat in olive oil until browned on all sides. add wine and
water, cover, simmer 1 hour. remove meat from pan and keep warm. add
remaining ingredients to drippings and cook until slightly thickened. serve
sauce over meat.
Serves 15

TammyM > wrote:

> I don't know why.... ;-) If it's fake, can it be authentic? <VBG>

Sure, falscher Hase (false hare) being a famous example. Today, it is
usually a dish made with minced meat, a kind of meatloaf. However, the
name used to be used for rabbit and even cat...

> Fake Wild Boar adapted from German Cooking
> http://recipes.wuzzle.org/index.php/55/1206
>
>
> a.. 7 1/2 Pounds Rolled Pork Roast -- boneless
> b.. 25 Juniper Berries -- crushed
> c.. Salt And Pepper -- to taste
> d.. 5/8 Cup Olive Oil
> e.. 1 1/4 Cups Dry Red Wine
> f.. 5/8 Cup Water
> g.. 1 1/4 Cups Sour Cream
> h.. 2 1/2 Tablespoons Flour
>
> rub meat with juniper berries, salt and pepper. let stand 20
> minutes.
> saute meat in olive oil until browned on all sides. add wine and
> water, cover, simmer 1 hour. remove meat from pan and keep warm. add
> remaining ingredients to drippings and cook until slightly thickened. serve
> sauce over meat.
> Serves 15

It is a perfectly plausible recipe, but the pork cooked this way will
never taste like wild boar, no matter those juniper berries. I once
posted a funny story by Edouard de Pomiane on how to make meat taste
like game. See
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.food.cooking/msg/62e8fb13b4b2a81a>.

Victor

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:56:03 +0100, (Victor Sack)
wrote:

>TammyM > wrote:
>
>> I don't know why.... ;-) If it's fake, can it be authentic? <VBG>
>
>Sure, falscher Hase (false hare) being a famous example. Today, it is
>usually a dish made with minced meat, a kind of meatloaf. However, the
>name used to be used for rabbit and even cat...

I saw the falscher Hase on the same site. I really love German
cookery. I've spent a fair bit of (vacation) time in Deutshland.
Aber, mein Deutsch ist immer schlect :-( (please tell me I just said
"My German is really bad" and not "my German boyfriend has corrupted
me like Azazello") <g> Having said that, when we were in a
restaurant near Munchen, we were presented with the menu auf Deutsch.
I asked, politely, if there was an English menu. The proprietor
apologized and said "your greeting was in perfect German, I assumed
you were local". Or some such. It's been nearly 10 years since I've
been there, though :-( I particularly love the Mosel valley.

>> Fake Wild Boar adapted from German Cooking
>> http://recipes.wuzzle.org/index.php/55/1206
>>
>>
>> a.. 7 1/2 Pounds Rolled Pork Roast -- boneless
>> b.. 25 Juniper Berries -- crushed
>> c.. Salt And Pepper -- to taste
>> d.. 5/8 Cup Olive Oil
>> e.. 1 1/4 Cups Dry Red Wine
>> f.. 5/8 Cup Water
>> g.. 1 1/4 Cups Sour Cream
>> h.. 2 1/2 Tablespoons Flour
>>
>> rub meat with juniper berries, salt and pepper. let stand 20
>> minutes.
>> saute meat in olive oil until browned on all sides. add wine and
>> water, cover, simmer 1 hour. remove meat from pan and keep warm. add
>> remaining ingredients to drippings and cook until slightly thickened. serve
>> sauce over meat.
>> Serves 15
>
>It is a perfectly plausible recipe, but the pork cooked this way will
>never taste like wild boar, no matter those juniper berries. I once
>posted a funny story by Edouard de Pomiane on how to make meat taste
>like game. See
><http://groups.google.com/group/rec.food.cooking/msg/62e8fb13b4b2a81a>.

LOL! I'm sure that's why the recipe reminded me of you :-) Good
story. Thanks, Bubba (if I may be so bold....)

TammyM

TammyM > wrote:

> (Victor Sack) wrote:
>
> I saw the falscher Hase on the same site. I really love German
> cookery.

I love some of it that involves sauerkraut, sausages, or both, and also
asparagus (white, of course, but purple can be even better). As to
German cookery as a whole. I just like it well enough, no more than
that.

> I've spent a fair bit of (vacation) time in Deutshland.
> Aber, mein Deutsch ist immer schlect :-( (please tell me I just said
> "My German is really bad" and not "my German boyfriend has corrupted
> me like Azazello") <g>

He has corrupted you like Azazello, but only very slightly. You said
"my German is always bad".

> It's been nearly 10 years since I've
> been there, though :-(

Time for another visit?

> I particularly love the Mosel valley.

Mosel and the stretch of the Rhine between Koblenz and Bingen are two of
my favourite areas of Germany, along with Rothenburg ob der Tauber on
the Romantische Straße and Munich, the only really nice big city in
Germany. Mosel is wonderful. It is beautiful, mellow and gentle, like
a woman should be ("Mosel" is feminine). The stretch of the Rhine
(which is masculine) between Koblenz and Bingen, not too far away, with
its medieval castles perched atop steep rocks, is fairy-tale-like,
majestic and magnificent, exactly like a typical man...

And then there is the wine...

Bubba

TammyM wrote:

> Yes indeed! I got QUITE an education in German wine my first time
> there. And the beer ain't too shabby neither :-) When somewhere near
> Munchen, we walked to a little sitting area where they had a beer and
> ice cream stand (!!!) Mom had her ice cream, I drank my beloved
> Bitburger Pils. Bitburger ist am besten!
>
> (did I say that correctly?)
>
> Frau TammyM (far too long in the tooth to be a Fraulein)

Wurzburger Hofbrau rules

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:52:32 +0100, (Victor Sack)
wrote:

>TammyM > wrote:
>
>> (Victor Sack) wrote:
>>
>> I saw the falscher Hase on the same site. I really love German
>> cookery.
>
>I love some of it that involves sauerkraut, sausages, or both, and also
>asparagus (white, of course, but purple can be even better). As to
>German cookery as a whole. I just like it well enough, no more than
>that.

I like it a good deal more than that. Jagerschnitzel, Spaetzle, rot
Kohl, weisse spargel (I've never had purple!)....

>> I've spent a fair bit of (vacation) time in Deutshland.
>> Aber, mein Deutsch ist immer schlect :-( (please tell me I just said
>> "My German is really bad" and not "my German boyfriend has corrupted
>> me like Azazello") <g>
>
>He has corrupted you like Azazello, but only very slightly. You said
>"my German is always bad".

Ah yes, of course, it should have been "sehr schlect". Gotcha. I
haven't spoken any German at all since 1998!

>> It's been nearly 10 years since I've
>> been there, though :-(
>
>Time for another visit?

I wish. I've spent a boatload of money this year on my house, and am
presently (but temporarily) house-poor. But when I can do so, you bet
I will. I've loved all of my travels there. I'll give you a jingle
:-)

>> I particularly love the Mosel valley.
>
>Mosel and the stretch of the Rhine between Koblenz and Bingen are two of
>my favourite areas of Germany, along with Rothenburg ob der Tauber on
>the Romantische Straße and Munich, the only really nice big city in
>Germany.

I liked Berlin too. I was there in '91. We were in the East part of
the city and wanted to call our hotel. They said the phones in the
East were still bad, and that we should walk beyond the Brandenburg
gate to the west and call from there. I trust things have come up
considerably since then.

> Mosel is wonderful. It is beautiful, mellow and gentle, like
>a woman should be ("Mosel" is feminine).

Die Mosel. Yes, quite lovely.

> The stretch of the Rhine
>(which is masculine) between Koblenz and Bingen, not too far away, with
>its medieval castles perched atop steep rocks, is fairy-tale-like,
>majestic and magnificent, exactly like a typical man...

You know different men than I do :-) But yes, we travelled that area
too. Spent the day in Bingen, I think, but my memory is not as good
as it once was so I could be wrong.

>And then there is the wine...

Yes indeed! I got QUITE an education in German wine my first time
there. And the beer ain't too shabby neither :-) When somewhere near
Munchen, we walked to a little sitting area where they had a beer and
ice cream stand (!!!) Mom had her ice cream, I drank my beloved
Bitburger Pils. Bitburger ist am besten!

(did I say that correctly?)

Frau TammyM (far too long in the tooth to be a Fraulein)


>Bubba

TammyM > wrote:

> You know different men than I do :-) But yes, we travelled that area
> too. Spent the day in Bingen, I think, but my memory is not as good
> as it once was so I could be wrong.

If you did spent a whole day there, you have my sympathy. Bingen is an
ugly sprawling town. It just marks the arbitrary end or beginning of
that stretch of the Rhine. Rüdesheim, just across the river, is very
much nicer. I hope you were driving and using the ferries, as there are
no bridges over that stretch, so as not to spoil the views.

> >And then there is the wine...

> Yes indeed! I got QUITE an education in German wine my first time
> there. And the beer ain't too shabby neither :-)

Yes, but not on that part of the Rhine or Mosel! It is a crime and a
mortal sin to drink beer there! You can drink your share of beer on
*this* stretch of the Rhine, in Düsseldorf, where no wine is produced,
nor needed!

> When somewhere near
> Munchen, we walked to a little sitting area where they had a beer and
> ice cream stand (!!!) Mom had her ice cream, I drank my beloved
> Bitburger Pils. Bitburger ist am besten!
>
> (did I say that correctly?)

No you didn't, because it is not correct to drink Bitburger in Munich or
anywhere nearby! Can you be saved yet, woman?! Bitburger is more than
just drinkable, but even in Bitburg I'd choose some other pils, such as
Jever, or failing that, König.

Bubba

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:55:45 +0100, (Victor Sack)
wrote:

>TammyM > wrote:
>
>> You know different men than I do :-) But yes, we travelled that area
>> too. Spent the day in Bingen, I think, but my memory is not as good
>> as it once was so I could be wrong.
>
>If you did spent a whole day there, you have my sympathy. Bingen is an
>ugly sprawling town. It just marks the arbitrary end or beginning of
>that stretch of the Rhine. Rüdesheim, just across the river, is very
>much nicer. I hope you were driving and using the ferries, as there are
>no bridges over that stretch, so as not to spoil the views.

It must not have been Bingen then, because the place we visited was
quite lovely. Mom says it was Cochem but that's an die Mosel and this
was definitely der Rhein. We did indeed drive and use the ferries.

>> >And then there is the wine...
>
>> Yes indeed! I got QUITE an education in German wine my first time
>> there. And the beer ain't too shabby neither :-)
>
>Yes, but not on that part of the Rhine or Mosel! It is a crime and a
>mortal sin to drink beer there! You can drink your share of beer on
>*this* stretch of the Rhine, in Düsseldorf, where no wine is produced,
>nor needed!

OH NO! Die Schande!!! Wie schrecklich!!! I've sinned. I drank some
wine there too, does that absolve me? <TammyM, headed for confession
with rosary in hand>

>> When somewhere near
>> Munchen, we walked to a little sitting area where they had a beer and
>> ice cream stand (!!!) Mom had her ice cream, I drank my beloved
>> Bitburger Pils. Bitburger ist am besten!
>>
>> (did I say that correctly?)
>
>No you didn't, because it is not correct to drink Bitburger in Munich or
>anywhere nearby! Can you be saved yet, woman?! Bitburger is more than
>just drinkable, but even in Bitburg I'd choose some other pils, such as
>Jever, or failing that, König.

OH MEIN GOTT! How can I live with the shame? How can I live at all?
I did have some Konig Ludswig dunkel too but ... I know, it's no use.
I cannot be saved, Victor. Thank God I have a gas rather than an
electric oven in which to stick my head....

TammyM

TammyM > wrote:

> (Victor Sack) wrote:

> It must not have been Bingen then, because the place we visited was
> quite lovely. Mom says it was Cochem but that's an die Mosel and this
> was definitely der Rhein. We did indeed drive and use the ferries.

Could it have been Bacharach, a wonderful little town, also on the left
bank?

> >Yes, but not on that part of the Rhine or Mosel! It is a crime and a
> >mortal sin to drink beer there! You can drink your share of beer on
> >*this* stretch of the Rhine, in Düsseldorf, where no wine is produced,
> >nor needed!
>
> OH NO! Die Schande!!! Wie schrecklich!!! I've sinned. I drank some
> wine there too, does that absolve me? <TammyM, headed for confession
> with rosary in hand>

I hear you, my daughter. For your penance, you will say ten
Paternosters, followed by a bottle of Graacher Himmelreich (Kingdom of
Heaven).

> >No you didn't, because it is not correct to drink Bitburger in Munich or
> >anywhere nearby! Can you be saved yet, woman?! Bitburger is more than
> >just drinkable, but even in Bitburg I'd choose some other pils, such as
> >Jever, or failing that, König.
>
> OH MEIN GOTT! How can I live with the shame? How can I live at all?
> I did have some Konig Ludswig dunkel too but ... I know, it's no use.
> I cannot be saved, Victor. Thank God I have a gas rather than an
> electric oven in which to stick my head....

Very well, my daughter, I see that you are truly remorseful and
contrite. Your penance for the above sins will be to say ten Ave
Marias, followed by a Maß of Paulaner Salvator (Savior). Now go in
peace, maiden.

Father Victor