Rant on:
Does ANYONE really know what it is.

Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.

I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.

Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
pie then.

Rant off



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in
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MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
> Rant on:
> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>
> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>
> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.
>
> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
> pie then.
>
> Rant off

Rant away! I agree.
Now shall we discuss the confusion some people have about down home
casual meal called "high tea" ?

MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
>
> Rant on:
> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>
> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>
> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.
>
> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
> pie then.
>
> Rant off


Shepherds pie is a casserole with a layer of ground meat on the bottom,
some vegetables and a layer of mashed potatoes on top. In Britain it is
traditionally made with lamb or mutton. In North America is is more
commonly made with beef. Only the British differentiate between Shepherds
pie and Cottage pie. But then the British call chips crisps, and they call
French fries chips.

Good Rant!!

And another oxymoron: "vegetarian haggis"!!

S.

In article >,
"MOMPEAGRAM" > wrote:

> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
> pie then.

Makes sense to me. My poor understanding of the dish has been any meat
pie filling with oven browned mashed potatoes on top instead of any real
crust. But I defer to anyone else in this. Um...I haven't googled.

leo

--
<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>

"MOMPEAGRAM" > wrote in news:esft80$pup$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Rant on:
> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>
> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>
> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no
lamb.
>
> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's
Cottage
> pie then.
>
> Rant off
>
>
>


Here's one with lamb.........

http://www.exclusivelyfood.com.au/20...ie-recipe.html




--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia



We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual
beings having a human experience.

- Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

MOMPEAGRAM wrote:

> Rant on:
> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>
> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>
> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no
> lamb.
>
> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's
> Cottage pie then.

Sorry, but around these parts there's no such thing as "cottage pie".
It's shepherd's pie regardless of beef or lamb. And frankly ground lamb
is almost unknown around here. Here being St. Louis, MO. Yeah, you can
get it, but it's not commonly stocked in the stores and I've never met
anyone who uses it.

This is right up there in silliness with the Texans and their rules on
chili.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Dave Smith" wrote > MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
>>
>> Rant on:
>> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>>
>> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>>
>> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.
>>
>> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
>> pie then.
>>
>> Rant off
>
>
> Shepherds pie is a casserole with a layer of ground meat on the bottom,
> some vegetables and a layer of mashed potatoes on top. In Britain it is
> traditionally made with lamb or mutton. In North America is is more
> commonly made with beef. Only the British differentiate between Shepherds
> pie and Cottage pie. But then the British call chips crisps, and they call
> French fries chips.

We've talked about this many times and each time I chuckle. Only the
purists care whether it's lamb or beef in order to present Shepherd's or
Cottage pie. When I grew up in London, Shepherd's pie was made with
whatever leftovers there were from the Sunday roast, regardless.

As far as chips vs. crisps and French fries vs. chips, can we help it if the
purity of our language got adulterated? <BEG>

Dora

limey wrote:


> > Shepherds pie is a casserole with a layer of ground meat on the bottom,
> > some vegetables and a layer of mashed potatoes on top. In Britain it is
> > traditionally made with lamb or mutton. In North America is is more
> > commonly made with beef. Only the British differentiate between Shepherds
> > pie and Cottage pie. But then the British call chips crisps, and they call
> > French fries chips.
>
> We've talked about this many times and each time I chuckle. Only the
> purists care whether it's lamb or beef in order to present Shepherd's or
> Cottage pie. When I grew up in London, Shepherd's pie was made with
> whatever leftovers there were from the Sunday roast, regardless.


My English grandmother made Shepherds pie with beef.


> As far as chips vs. crisps and French fries vs. chips, can we help it if the
> purity of our language got adulterated? <BEG>

Purity of your language????? Potato chips AKA crisps" were an American
invention.

Whatever happened to good old English food like a cheese and chutney
sandwich?

>
> Dora

"Dave Smith" wrote

>> > Shepherds pie is a casserole with a layer of ground meat on the bottom,
>> > some vegetables and a layer of mashed potatoes on top. In Britain it is
>> > traditionally made with lamb or mutton. In North America is is more
>> > commonly made with beef. Only the British differentiate between
>> > Shepherds
>> > pie and Cottage pie. But then the British call chips crisps, and they
>> > call
>> > French fries chips.
>>
>> We've talked about this many times and each time I chuckle. Only the
>> purists care whether it's lamb or beef in order to present Shepherd's or
>> Cottage pie. When I grew up in London, Shepherd's pie was made with
>> whatever leftovers there were from the Sunday roast, regardless.
>
>
> My English grandmother made Shepherds pie with beef.

A woman after my own heart.


>> As far as chips vs. crisps and French fries vs. chips, can we help it if
>> the
>> purity of our language got adulterated? <BEG>
>
> Purity of your language????? Potato chips AKA crisps" were an American
> invention.

LOL - now defend French fries!
>
> Whatever happened to good old English food like a cheese and chutney
> sandwich?
>
Good lord - you mean it has stopped? There goes the British Empire. All
is not lost - try the ploughman's lunch.

>> Dora

In message Dave Smith > wrote:

> MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
>>
>> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>>
>> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.
>>
>> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
>> pie then.
>>
>> Rant off
>
>
> Shepherds pie is a casserole with a layer of ground meat on the bottom,
> some vegetables and a layer of mashed potatoes on top. In Britain it is
> traditionally made with lamb or mutton. In North America is is more
> commonly made with beef. Only the British differentiate between Shepherds
> pie and Cottage pie. But then the British call chips crisps, and they call
> French fries chips.

Imagine the response of an 1870's cattle rancher as, when he's in the
middle of a hand of poker in the saloon and someone calls him a
'shepherd' Perhaps a colt shoved around the vicinity of the caller's
rectum? But then - what's in a word ;-)

--
Don

Don Gray wrote:

> > Shepherds pie is a casserole with a layer of ground meat on the bottom,
> > some vegetables and a layer of mashed potatoes on top. In Britain it is
> > traditionally made with lamb or mutton. In North America is is more
> > commonly made with beef. Only the British differentiate between Shepherds
> > pie and Cottage pie. But then the British call chips crisps, and they call
> > French fries chips.
>
> Imagine the response of an 1870's cattle rancher as, when he's in the
> middle of a hand of poker in the saloon and someone calls him a
> 'shepherd' Perhaps a colt shoved around the vicinity of the caller's
> rectum? But then - what's in a word ;-)

Sorry, but I try not to clutter my brain with images of guns and rectums.

MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
> Rant on:
> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>
> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>
> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.
>
> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
> pie then.
>
> Rant off
>
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherd's_pie

MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
> Rant on:
> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>
> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>
> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.
>
> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
> pie then.
>
> Rant off
>
Yes! Call it cottage pie or something else if it is not made
with lamb.

--
Jean B.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Shepherds pie is a casserole with a layer of ground meat on the bottom,
> some vegetables and a layer of mashed potatoes on top. In Britain it is
> traditionally made with lamb or mutton. In North America is is more
> commonly made with beef. Only the British differentiate between Shepherds
> pie and Cottage pie. But then the British call chips crisps, and they call
> French fries chips.

I am from the United States, and I differentiate, as did my
mother (also from the US). Don't speak for me.

--
Jean B.

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:48:07 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
>> Rant on:
>> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>>
>> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>>
>> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no lamb.
>>
>> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's Cottage
>> pie then.
>>
>> Rant off
>>
>Yes! Call it cottage pie or something else if it is not made
>with lamb.

I'm surprised Victor hasn't weighed in on this....

TammyM

On 5 Mar 2007 05:16:04 GMT, "Default User" >
wrote:

>MOMPEAGRAM wrote:
>
>> Rant on:
>> Does ANYONE really know what it is.
>>
>> Take the word apart Sheep herder pie.
>>
>> I see so many recipes for Shepherd's pie with beef or turkey and no
>> lamb.
>>
>> Shepherds' Pie is not Shepherd's pie if it has beef in it. It's
>> Cottage pie then.
>
>Sorry, but around these parts there's no such thing as "cottage pie".
>It's shepherd's pie regardless of beef or lamb. And frankly ground lamb
>is almost unknown around here. Here being St. Louis, MO. Yeah, you can
>get it, but it's not commonly stocked in the stores and I've never met
>anyone who uses it.
>
>This is right up there in silliness with the Texans and their rules on
>chili.

Right! Let's take a slice of Wonder bread, flatten it, spread some
cheeze food product on it and call it a quesadilla!

....

TammyM

TammyM wrote on 06 Mar 2007 in rec.food.cooking

> I'm surprised Victor hasn't weighed in on this....
>
> TammyM
>

Victor doesn't play with trolls