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The Ranger 15-11-2006 09:42 PM

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Goomba38 > wrote in message
. ..
> The Ranger wrote:
> > I was an angry-red and fully-mottled
> > hive. I stopped at the emergency clinic for some
> > prescription-strength Benadryl that night.
> >

> Just an FYI. There is no "prescription strength Benadryl"..
> just a higher dose given sometimes and alternative routes
> (oral and IV).


These higher dose applications are unavailable OTC, and only upon
physician [written] request. Doesn't that make them prescription?
(Or are you simply arguing with my description of
"prescription-strength?") Either way, that night I had to take a
liquid (that had some type of sleep-agent mixed in it) and received
five funky little pills that took the itch and hives away within
three days. I now know of several vine-based berries (lingonberries,
blackberries, boysenberries, raspberries, and much to my everlasting
annoyance, strawberries) that I cannot enjoy without turning into
one... Luckily, grapes are not on that growing list but I have been
warned it might just be a matter of time.

The Ranger



Goomba38 15-11-2006 10:12 PM

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The Ranger wrote:

> These higher dose applications are unavailable OTC, and only upon
> physician [written] request. Doesn't that make them prescription?
> (Or are you simply arguing with my description of
> "prescription-strength?") Either way, that night I had to take a
> liquid (that had some type of sleep-agent mixed in it) and received
> five funky little pills that took the itch and hives away within
> three days.
>

Sure they're available. Take 50 mg of Benadryl (pill or liquid)by mouth
instead of 25 mg. Same with the OTC Pepcid and Zantac...same drug, sold
at half the dose strength in the drug store. We just tell folks to take
2 when necessary.
Benadryl is often used to promote sleep..That's what the "PM" in
"Tylenol PM" is.

cybercat 15-11-2006 10:22 PM

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"Goomba38" > wrote
> Benadryl is often used to promote sleep..That's what the "PM" in "Tylenol
> PM" is.


It works great, too. Made me sleep for ten hours straight in my
pre-Claritin days, but I would have a kind of hangover the next day.
Dehydration, mostly.



-L. 15-11-2006 10:42 PM

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Omelet wrote:
> In article .com>,
> "-L." > wrote:
>
> > VegA wrote:
> > > Guests that inquire as to what will be served when invited for dinner.

> >
> > Are rude.

>
> Are close friends that know that I don't mind that sort of thing. :-)


Ok, for you and your friends it's ok, then, but it's not proper
etiquette in contemporary society and never will be. You don't ask
about or dictate a host's menu - it is just something that shouldn't be
done because it's rude. Your role as a guest is to accept or decline
the invitation politely.

For example, I was recenly served filet mignon eventhough I do not eat
beef. I ate what I could because I'm a polite guest. Had I been asked
before hand I would have stated that we eat no beef. But I wasn't
asked, so I had to suck it up and eat it, or not, as was my choice. I
ate some to be polite. Conversely I am hosting guests for
Thanksgiving that eat no meat. I know this and will accomodate them.
I asked for preferences and one guest doesn't like mushrooms. That's
fine - there are plenty of things I can make without using 'shrooms.
Had i not asked and people inquired about the menu, it would have been
rude. But as a host I am willing to accomodate preferences, so I
always ask or offer a menu.

>
> Lighten up already!


Has nothing to do with not being "light". It's having good manners as
a guest. In some circles it's acceptable to fart and belch at the
dinner table, as well. That doesn't mean that doing so is accepted in
society.

-L.


-L. 15-11-2006 10:45 PM

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cybercat wrote:
> "Goomba38" > wrote
> > Benadryl is often used to promote sleep..That's what the "PM" in "Tylenol
> > PM" is.

>
> It works great, too. Made me sleep for ten hours straight in my
> pre-Claritin days, but I would have a kind of hangover the next day.
> Dehydration, mostly.


People drug their kids with this on airplanes, which I find absolutely
abhorrent. I have some around for J incase he eats nuts accidently,
but he's never had it otherwise.

-L.


-L. 15-11-2006 10:47 PM

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The Ranger wrote:
> I was raised with this expectation and practiced a similar
> provincial 'Tude for most of my adult life. Recently, unfortunately,
> my body's decided to become allergic to a minor list of foods. I
> feel, as a result of this new set of experiences, that dropping over
> dead on the dinner table, tongue swollen to balloon proportions
> inside, and protruding from, my mouth would simply provide the wrong
> commentary to the original meal's intent, though. It also prevents
> the host(ess) from spending a fortune on certain items.
>
> Fer example... I love crab. If crab juice (not even the main source)
> touches my tongue, it's a pretty dramatic reaction. I immediately
> bloat, wheeze, and get all blotchy. (And yes, I now get the pleasure
> of carrying that little Pen about on my person. It sucks to be me.)
>
> I find that this new feature I'm experiencing is something that a
> host(ess) wants to know prior to their event. I know I ask invitees
> so as not to witness that sort of commentary about my cooking.
>
> The Ranger


Conveying an allergy is one thing - dictating a menu is something else
altogether. I have to make sure the menus at the parties we attend are
nut-free, because my son's life may depend on it.

-L.


Nancy Young 15-11-2006 10:49 PM

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"Steve Wertz" > wrote

> Never give a geek like me a technical mission like this. I got it
> on my first skillfully crafted search on groups.google.com. Not
> sure what you mean about the nickname, though. I definitely have
> a cross-match, though. But I haven't dug for any pics, no thanks.
>
> I notice that he's too shy to post his pic on the RFC website.
> How ironic :-)


You mean ... you're nude guy!? Whoda thought.

nancy



Michel Boucher 15-11-2006 10:58 PM

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VegA > scripsit in
:

> You
> do NOT IMPOSE on your host by asking what is being served and then
> setting conditions. I know that isn't always why ALL people ask that
> question. But more often than not...I think it is.


Well, there would be religious dietary restrictions, for example pork
for muslims and jews. Also, I personally cannot digest onion or peanut
butter or red meat, so if invited I mention that restriction. If they
insist, then I will have to pass on the food.

I prefer organic meats and vegetables but I will not insist that I only
be served those.

--

"There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in."

Leonard Cohen, Anthem

Dave Smith[_1_] 15-11-2006 11:10 PM

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VegA wrote:

> >It is just good manners. I just can't imagine asking someone what
> >is being served before accepting and invitation.

>
> Me either. But boy do allot of people do just that.


I would be sorely tempted to rescind the invitation, and not
likely to issue another invitation.



> >If I know that someone wants a steak well done I don't bother
> >serving them good steaks. They obviously know shit about good
> >beef and might as well have the cheapest cut of beef I can find
> >because it is going to be as tough and flavourless once it has
> >been thoroughly over cooked and dried out.

>
> That could be argued. I can make a shit steak tender. Also, the
> tougher cuts generally have the most flavor. I guess the real sin is
> to cook the meat to the point that all the moisture is gone from it.
> Can you make a well done steak that is still moist? Yes. Can you do it
> 10 out of 10 times? I doubt anyone could do it 3 out of 10 times in a
> row.


Well that's why I said good steaks. There are ways or preparing
cheaper cuts of beef that will make them tender even when well
coked. I usually have tenderloins, which are tender and tasty
when cooked rare or maybe medium rare, but they lose that nice
taste and texture when they are well cooked. My brother has a
friends whose wife wants her steak very well done.... burned.


> Ya, my brother-in-law Tim and his wife Kelly. ALWAYS 1-2 hours late.
> He walks in and declares he is HERE and where's the food.


My brother in law and his family were always late. For special
occasion dinners my MiL used to invite him for an hour earlier
than she really meant. He would still be late. My MiL was a
little more lax about time, but my FiL was a stickler for time
and it always ****ed him off that his son was so slack about it.
>
> Last time he did that we had all finished eating. I had saved him a
> plate.
>
> When I heard his car pull up I got out the plate.
>
> My wife thought I was gonna heat it up in the micro.
>
> Pricelees was the look on Tim's face when he asked where the food
> was....and I smiled and pointed to the plate of food my dog was now
> consuming.


LOL but he probably still runs late.

One of my nephews used to always be late for my FiL's annual
birthday/ Christmas party at one of his clubs, a brunch buffet.
He wanted us there not later than 11:30. My wife and I came from
out of town and were always on time. Most of the rest were late.
The nephew who lived only a few blocks away was always at least
an hour and a half late. One year he was three hours late. My
wife and his mother were ready to accept his excuse that his
daughter had been sick and he had to spent most of the night in
the hospital with him.

They didn't appreciate me pointing out that he is always late and
always has an excuse, but this was just a better one. He and the
mother were separated. She had custody of the girl, so she would
have been the one to take her. The girl was not with him, but
back with the mother. Even if he had been there until 6 am he
still had time to catch some sleep and get there within a
reasonable time. He could also have phones to say he would be
late.

> She is telling her husband/boyfriend/girlfriend that she is going to
> your place for dinner. She is sneaking out and having an affair. You
> guys are the alibi.


Not likely. She is separated and has some problems. Getting so
messed up on time like that should be a pretty good clue as to
how screwed up her life if.

> For real!
>
> Just a few questions here.....
>
> Your late brother in law? If so I am sorry for your loss.


Thanks. He is the one who was always late. We have since come to
realize that it was his wife who was responsible for them being
late all the time.

> You had your mother and your wife's aunt and uncle for dinner?



> I would have sent her a cab and hoped she had the money to pay for it!
>
> Not really. But it would kinda be funny in a crule kinda way.



It was the last time she was invited here. I did see her one more
time. I stopped by when I was working down that way. I had
noticed that the front fender of her car was damaged and looked
like she had scrapped it around the corner of a brick building.
She asked me if I would do her a small favour. She wanted me to
driver her up to her cottage to open it up for the summer. She
said that her neighbour had backed into her car and damaged the
fender and it was undriveable. The cottage was a five hour drive
away, not a small favour. I had done that for her a year or two
before and just wasn't up to another two days of her pathological
lying.

Dave Smith[_1_] 15-11-2006 11:12 PM

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Goomba38 wrote:
>


>
> I actually know someone who refuses to eat meat cooked on a gas grill
> instead of charcoal. I'm gobsmacked by that level of pickiness.


It should be okay if it is food grade propane

LMAO

VegA 15-11-2006 11:27 PM

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On 15 Nov 2006 14:45:40 -0800, "-L." > wrote:

>
>cybercat wrote:
>> "Goomba38" > wrote
>> > Benadryl is often used to promote sleep..That's what the "PM" in "Tylenol
>> > PM" is.

>>
>> It works great, too. Made me sleep for ten hours straight in my
>> pre-Claritin days, but I would have a kind of hangover the next day.
>> Dehydration, mostly.

>
>People drug their kids with this on airplanes, which I find absolutely
>abhorrent. I have some around for J incase he eats nuts accidently,
>but he's never had it otherwise.
>
>-L.

I would never drug my kids on a plane. That said, I really do love the
folks who do. When I'm on that plane anyway :)

VegA 15-11-2006 11:28 PM

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:24:14 -0500, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:36:55 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would never, EVER serve mystery ground meat to guests, nor do I EVER
>>> use lighter fluid. That stuff is pure poison and anyone that uses it is
>>> an idiot.

>>
>> Am I mistaken? Did you say you use kerosene instead? I wouldn't
>> like that, either, no offense.

>
>I actually know someone who refuses to eat meat cooked on a gas grill
>instead of charcoal. I'm gobsmacked by that level of pickiness.


The briquetts are just as bad. I'm ok with gas, perfer natural lump.

VegA 15-11-2006 11:29 PM

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:41:11 -0500, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"Goomba38" > wrote
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:

>
>>> Am I mistaken? Did you say you use kerosene instead? I wouldn't
>>> like that, either, no offense.

>>
>> I actually know someone who refuses to eat meat cooked on a gas grill
>> instead of charcoal. I'm gobsmacked by that level of pickiness.

>
>Wow. Well, that's fine unless they are embarrassing their hosts
>about it when they show up at a backyard do. I have no idea why
>I said do, or if that's how you spell it. Anyway, it would never occur
>to me to grill (harr) someone about the food if they asked me over.
>If I'm going, it's sure not for the food. Good food is an added bonus.
>
>nancy
>


What she said.

VegA 15-11-2006 11:31 PM

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Snip!


>>
>> No reason to be. I like you just the way you are :)

>
>Ditto here! It's okay to agree to disagree sometimes on some items...
>Cheers!



It's all really mind over matter. If YOU don't mind, IT don't matter
:)


VegA 15-11-2006 11:35 PM

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snap


>
>I notice that he's too shy to post his pic on the RFC website.
>How ironic :-)
>
>-sw



I have seen too many people posting here long enought to know that
someone would figure it out.


Mind you, I never set out to "expose anyone". We all have our own
"kinks".

BTW, kinky is when you use a feather. Perverted is when you use the
entire chicken!



serene 15-11-2006 11:39 PM

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:28:23 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>
>I see your point, it can get stressful. It's just that my guest made
>only two simple, reasonable requests and everyone is coming unglued over
>it.



I think the reactions are to the way you first phrased his request.
Your subsequent clarifications toned down that response and led to an
interesting discussion, if you ask me.

Serene
--
"I can't decide if I feel more like four ten-year-olds or ten four-year-olds." Laurie Anderson , on turning 40.

http://serenejournal.livejournal.com

PeterL 16-11-2006 12:22 AM

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VegA > wrote in news:8q4ll291tm7g75dtj2d8q2d8o29afted8u@
4ax.com:


>
>
> Red wine/white wine.
>
>
> What ever you like. Yes, you may have red wine with fish.




I like you :-)



> Smoking.
>
>
> I smoke. But not while people are eating. If I invited you over for
> dinner, I already know if you smoke. If you invite me, you know that I
> do.
>
> I will not smoke in your house enless you let me know that is is OK. I
> live just outside of Chicago. If you ask me over for a dinner party in
> Jan. and it is -60 outside I will not smoke outside, and no, I can not
> just "not smoke" for the next 4 hours. I have an addiction that is
> legal in all states. If you can't provide indoor shelter for me while
> I get my "fix", I will gracefully decline your invitation. No hard
> feelings.
>



I don't like you!!




> The people of this group.
>
> I been around on usenet a Looooooogggg time. I post here once in a
> great while. I read most of what is posted every day.
>
> Great bunch of people. And also some strange people too here and
> there. You got some great cooks, weirdos, a guy who thinks he knows it
> all, a guy who likes to post himself nude in other groups,




Please do tell!!!



>someone who
> calls Slop to task (funny and true stuff), in short, a cross section
> of life.
>
> I like it here.
>
>
> All of the above is just my opinion. I do not claim to know it all,
> have the answer to the meaning of life, or know the location of the
> ark of the covenant.




Don't you know where it is?? Wonder why no-one told you??!!




Excellent post :-)


(Except for the smoking thing)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'


VegA 16-11-2006 01:36 AM

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>
>(Except for the smoking thing)



And I'n a vet. too. 3 years U.S. Army :)


cybercat 16-11-2006 01:41 AM

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"-L." > wrote
>
> Ok, for you and your friends it's ok, then, but it's not proper
> etiquette in contemporary society and never will be. You don't ask
> about or dictate a host's menu - it is just something that shouldn't be
> done because it's rude. Your role as a guest is to accept or decline
> the invitation politely.
>
> For example, I was recenly served filet mignon eventhough I do not eat
> beef. I ate what I could because I'm a polite guest. Had I been asked
> before hand I would have stated that we eat no beef. But I wasn't
> asked, so I had to suck it up and eat it, or not, as was my choice. I
> ate some to be polite. Conversely I am hosting guests for
> Thanksgiving that eat no meat. I know this and will accomodate them.
> I asked for preferences and one guest doesn't like mushrooms. That's
> fine - there are plenty of things I can make without using 'shrooms.
> Had i not asked and people inquired about the menu, it would have been
> rude. But as a host I am willing to accomodate preferences, so I
> always ask or offer a menu.
>


I have to agree. When I have people over I generally let them know
what I am making, and ask if that is okay, no allergies, etc. I think that
is considerate. But if I am invited, you bet I have nothing to say about
the menu unless I am asked. In my experience most people will say, "I'm
fixing _____, does so and so like that?"

I feel sorry for people who have to cook for kids who all eat different
things
at home.

I have nephews like that. Their mother thinks she has pampered them by
catering to their whims from infancy, but she has really ruined them. Only
one out of four of these kids will eat PEANUT butter, and no, they are
not allergic. Only one will eat eggs--a different one. All of them will not
eat any pizza that has any topping but exactly what they want, and I mean,
they will go hungry rather than eat it. Each drinks a different type of soda
and
each eats a different type of breakfast cereal.



cybercat 16-11-2006 01:42 AM

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"-L." > wrote:
>
> People drug their kids with this on airplanes, which I find absolutely
> abhorrent.


It really is. And they likely wake up feeling miserable because is it
so drying, and planes are dry anyway.



Stacia 16-11-2006 03:16 AM

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Goomba38 > writes:

>The difference being is that I'm sure you discretely mention your
>allergies to the hostess long before the event and her cooking, and not
>make a big public drama out of it while at the dinner. That is acceptable.
>Demanding to know the menu because you're unsophisticated and don't want
>to risk being served a piece of meat on the bone is not.


Okay, so it's not just my odd luck that causes people to ask if the
meat will be "white only" or "on the bone". I have no idea why some
people are so picky about that! Mom used to make a point of telling me
that she didn't like chicken on the bone because it was too messy, so I
made a coq au vin with white meat for her, and just wasn't as good. I'm
the cook, let me do my thing! ;)

Stacia


Nancy Young 16-11-2006 03:17 AM

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"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:00:40 GMT, jay wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:55:36 GMT, Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:49:49 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mean ... you're nude guy!? Whoda thought.
>>>
>>> And I have the perfect back yard for it. But never in pubic.
>>>

>>
>> OMG..

>
> #%&!*&! spell-checker. "Public", dammit.
>
> -sw (who's not a budist... Err... NUDIST!)


(laugh!) You mean that really was a typo? Now, that's funny.

nancy



Omelet 16-11-2006 03:37 AM

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In article >,
VegA > wrote:

> Snip!
>
>
> >>
> >> No reason to be. I like you just the way you are :)

> >
> >Ditto here! It's okay to agree to disagree sometimes on some items...
> >Cheers!

>
>
> It's all really mind over matter. If YOU don't mind, IT don't matter
> :)


EXACTLY!!! :-)
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

Omelet 16-11-2006 03:38 AM

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In article >,
Serene > wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:28:23 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I see your point, it can get stressful. It's just that my guest made
> >only two simple, reasonable requests and everyone is coming unglued over
> >it.

>
>
> I think the reactions are to the way you first phrased his request.
> Your subsequent clarifications toned down that response and led to an
> interesting discussion, if you ask me.
>
> Serene


I'll have to watch the way I phrase stuff more carefully. <G>

Funny, I really did not expect everyone to take it so wrong!

Live and learn......
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

PeterL 16-11-2006 03:53 AM

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Omelet > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Serene > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:28:23 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I see your point, it can get stressful. It's just that my guest made
>> >only two simple, reasonable requests and everyone is coming unglued
>> >over it.

>>
>>
>> I think the reactions are to the way you first phrased his request.
>> Your subsequent clarifications toned down that response and led to an
>> interesting discussion, if you ask me.
>>
>> Serene

>
> I'll have to watch the way I phrase stuff more carefully. <G>
>
> Funny, I really did not expect everyone to take it so wrong!



LOL!!!

There's a few people who are a little toooooo precious in here :-)


>
> Live and learn......



If it doesn't kill you, it'll only make you stronger :-)


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

'Enjoy today, it was paid for by a veteran'


Damsel in dis Dress[_1_] 16-11-2006 04:49 AM

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:35:05 -0600, VegA > wrote:

>>I notice that he's too shy to post his pic on the RFC website.
>>How ironic :-)
>>
>>-sw

>
>I have seen too many people posting here long enought to know that
>someone would figure it out.
>
>Mind you, I never set out to "expose anyone". We all have our own
>"kinks".


BULLSHIT! You're a bleeping liar.

Leonard Blaisdell 16-11-2006 05:43 AM

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In article >,
(Stacia) wrote:

> Mom used to make a point of telling me
> that she didn't like chicken on the bone because it was too messy, so I
> made a coq au vin with white meat for her, and just wasn't as good.


Let me guess. She didn't like ribs, corn on the cob or watermelon on the
rind either. A dungeness crab gives a whole new meaning to messy eating.
Gosh, how I love them all and a shower soon after. Or a swim.

leo

--
<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>

-L. 16-11-2006 07:28 AM

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cybercat wrote:
> I have to agree. When I have people over I generally let them know
> what I am making, and ask if that is okay, no allergies, etc. I think that
> is considerate. But if I am invited, you bet I have nothing to say about
> the menu unless I am asked. In my experience most people will say, "I'm
> fixing _____, does so and so like that?"


Yes - IME as well.

>
> I feel sorry for people who have to cook for kids who all eat different
> things
> at home.
>
> I have nephews like that. Their mother thinks she has pampered them by
> catering to their whims from infancy, but she has really ruined them. Only
> one out of four of these kids will eat PEANUT butter, and no, they are
> not allergic. Only one will eat eggs--a different one. All of them will not
> eat any pizza that has any topping but exactly what they want, and I mean,
> they will go hungry rather than eat it. Each drinks a different type of soda
> and
> each eats a different type of breakfast cereal.


Sheesh!! None of that in my house. If J doesn't like what I put on
his plate, he drinks his milk and waits for the next meal. The only
time I will fix different things to get him to eat is when he is sick.
He's a good eater though - eats as much as I do sometimes, and has
grown 4 inches in the last 6 months. He amazes me.

-L.


Peter A 16-11-2006 12:56 PM

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In article >, says...

> I feel sorry for people who have to cook for kids who all eat different
> things at home.
>


No one *has* to this, they choose it.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at
www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

VegA 16-11-2006 01:33 PM

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:49:15 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress
> wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:35:05 -0600, VegA > wrote:
>
>>>I notice that he's too shy to post his pic on the RFC website.
>>>How ironic :-)
>>>
>>>-sw

>>
>>I have seen too many people posting here long enought to know that
>>someone would figure it out.
>>
>>Mind you, I never set out to "expose anyone". We all have our own
>>"kinks".

>
>BULLSHIT! You're a bleeping liar.


Who? Me?

George[_1_] 16-11-2006 01:56 PM

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cybercat wrote:

>
> I feel sorry for people who have to cook for kids who all eat different
> things
> at home.


But she doesn't/didn't have to do it. No doubt these kids will go on
always expecting everything to be the way they want it. When I was a kid
and got up in the morning if it was pancake day I ate pancakes or
nothing. I didn't die and I don't need a therapist.

>
> I have nephews like that. Their mother thinks she has pampered them by
> catering to their whims from infancy, but she has really ruined them. Only
> one out of four of these kids will eat PEANUT butter, and no, they are
> not allergic. Only one will eat eggs--a different one. All of them will not
> eat any pizza that has any topping but exactly what they want, and I mean,
> they will go hungry rather than eat it. Each drinks a different type of soda
> and
> each eats a different type of breakfast cereal.
>
>


We have friends like that. She is totally permissive/liberal and he
seems neutral. The two kids were totally catered to when they were
brought up including no requirements or responsibilities. Now the
daughter is in jail for the third time and the mother is paying for
numerous college loans from failed attempts at school. The girl is a
knockout and is hooked up with a bunch of druggies. The boy who is
younger has missed college enrollment for the second time and gets up
and noon and comes in at 3 AM. She still cleans his room.

Julia Altshuler 16-11-2006 02:55 PM

Some comments about some topics here...
 
-L. wrote:
Your role as a guest is to accept or decline
> the invitation politely.
>
> For example, I was recently served filet mignon even though I do not eat
> beef. I ate what I could because I'm a polite guest.



And this brings up the flip side to the equation. Whether or not the
host has asked about allergy/preferences ahead of time, it is the host's
responsibility NOT to harass the guests about what they're eating. The
host may ask the guests if they'd like something or like seconds. If
the answer is no, then the host has to shut up. When I was much
younger, I'd find myself in situations where the host would ask me why I
wasn't eating, insist that eat, ask what was wrong with the food, ask
what was wrong with me, offer to make me something else, make sure I
wasn't on a diet, and basically make an ordinary meal a misery. The
worst of it was that the host did all this in the name of politeness.
It took me ages to learn that simply declining food is polite.
Harassing guests about what they are or are not eating isn't.


--Lia


sf[_3_] 16-11-2006 03:04 PM

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On 15 Nov 2006 07:27:40 -0800, "Nancy2" >
wrote:

>Like you, if I am inviting, then I ask if there are any allergies or
>other issues I need to know about before planning my menu. (Like, if
>you see a piece of celery, you'll gag.)



LOL! I have a friend (married to a college friend) who isn't
allergic, but sure doesn't eat much of anything.... a classic picky
eater - grown up. We find we enjoy dinner much more if we go out to a
restaurant with that couple.

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Dave Smith[_1_] 16-11-2006 03:32 PM

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Peter A wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
>
> > I feel sorry for people who have to cook for kids who all eat different
> > things at home.
> >

>
> No one *has* to this, they choose it.



I don't know how it happens. Our son would eat just about
anything when he was a kid. There were some things he liked
better than others, but he would try new things. Then there was a
kid the same age two houses down from us who ate KFC chicken and
hot dogs (with salt and pepper only) and that was about it.

There are a few things that should not eat and things I would
never bother to cook at home, but I will give them a try. I used
to hate squash and turnip but I am learning to like them now.
What I can't figure out is how two of my brothers came to despise
peas. The refuse to eat them. Fresh, frozen or canned, it doesn't
matter. They won't touch them. I like peas. I can't understand
what there is to dislike about peas. I could understand them
hating some other veggies that much, but I don't understand it
when it comes to peas.

Omelet 16-11-2006 04:19 PM

Some comments about some topics here...
 
In article >,
Steve Wertz > wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:00:40 GMT, jay wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:55:36 GMT, Steve Wertz wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:49:49 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >>> You mean ... you're nude guy!? Whoda thought.
> >>
> >> And I have the perfect back yard for it. But never in pubic.
> >>

> >
> > OMG..

>
> #%&!*&! spell-checker. "Public", dammit.
>
> -sw (who's not a budist... Err... NUDIST!)


I'm disappointed that it was a typo.
I thought it was a rather clever play on words.......

Oh well!
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

Omelet 16-11-2006 04:29 PM

Some comments about some topics here...
 
In article >,
(Stacia) wrote:

> Goomba38 > writes:
>
> >The difference being is that I'm sure you discretely mention your
> >allergies to the hostess long before the event and her cooking, and not
> >make a big public drama out of it while at the dinner. That is acceptable.
> >Demanding to know the menu because you're unsophisticated and don't want
> >to risk being served a piece of meat on the bone is not.

>
> Okay, so it's not just my odd luck that causes people to ask if the
> meat will be "white only" or "on the bone". I have no idea why some
> people are so picky about that! Mom used to make a point of telling me
> that she didn't like chicken on the bone because it was too messy, so I
> made a coq au vin with white meat for her, and just wasn't as good. I'm
> the cook, let me do my thing! ;)
>
> Stacia


There are some people that get downright nauseated at the site of meat
cooked on the bone.

I'm sure you don't want vomit on your dining room table...

Sorry, but I'll respect people's food choices and try to accommodate
them.

I was forced to eat FAR too many disgusting things I hated as a child
that nearly ruined a lot of food for me as an adult! I'm not about to
disregard personal tastes.

That's just... selfish.

Too many beatings and too much food rubbed into my hair for refusing to
eat something. Far too many incidents of throwing up my dinner.

Maybe that is why I have more regard for others desires and don't cop an
attitude at special food requests.

Besides, it sometimes challenges my cooking skills. ;-)
I'm always up for a challenge...

Lynn' brought me a whole pile of frozen scrambled egg squares this
morning! Ack! She was given too many of them from someone else that
could not use them. I don't know the whole story... but I have more
freezer space than she does.

So, I nuked a couple of them with Picante sauce and some jack cheese. I
was expecting them to be rubbery and to become dog food! They are
surprisingly tender. Guess I'll be using them after all.

I'd never purchase these by choice (fresh eggs are far too easy to
prepare) but they are edible enough that they won't go to waste.
--
Peace, Om

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Omelet 16-11-2006 04:30 PM

Some comments about some topics here...
 
In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> > Live and learn......

>
>
> If it doesn't kill you, it'll only make you stronger :-)


One of my motto's to live by actually!
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Peace, Om

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Melba's Jammin' 16-11-2006 05:28 PM

Some comments about some topics here...
 
In article >,
"The Ranger" > wrote:

> three days. I now know of several vine-based berries (lingonberries,
> blackberries, boysenberries, raspberries, and much to my everlasting
> annoyance, strawberries) that I cannot enjoy without turning into
> one...
> The Ranger


Oh, Sweetie!!! I'll light a candle for you.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
"Maligning an individual says more about you than the one you malign."
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller; blahblahblog Barcelona on Foot
http://jamlady.eboard.com

Melba's Jammin' 16-11-2006 05:30 PM

Some comments about some topics here...
 
In article >,
Julia Altshuler > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > If I'm bored enough, don't think I'd not do it........ ;-D

>
>
> I've never understood it, but I agree. Washing my own dishes day after
> day is a chore. Going over to someone else's house, enjoying a good
> meal and good company, then washing THEIR dishes, that's fun. Jim is
> out of town so I'm spending the time by myself doing all the
> organizational jobs that I'd never get to while he was here. And I'm
> enjoying all of them-- clearing off the tops of bookshelves of
> accumulated papers, gadgets, receipts, spare change, attractive tin
> boxes, and plastic film canisters, deciding which magazines get stored
> in order and which go to the next library booksale, separating the red
> and white wines on the racks, putting away the dog's toys from all over
> the house, dusting pottery from long-ago classes. I'm enjoying all of
> it and running out of tasks like this to do.
>
>
> --Lia


C'monna my house, Lia. There could be some jam (GOOD - nay, EXCELLENT -
jam in it for you.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
"Maligning an individual says more about you than the one you malign."
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller; blahblahblog Barcelona on Foot
http://jamlady.eboard.com

hob 16-11-2006 05:43 PM

Some comments about some topics here...
 
I realize you are merely venting and found it hard to stop - but don't you
think your shorts are on a little too tight today? And tomorrow will be
better?

"VegA" > wrote in message
...
> Guests that inquire as to what will be served when invited for dinner.
>
> Perhaps I am old fashioned or maybe some (seems like most) people were
> not raised with manners. My parents raised me to never ask what's
> being offered. Just feel good that you were liked enough to be
> invited.


They were raised to bring a gift to dinner - wine, usually - that is why
they ask.

>
> You are being invited. They are providing the food, working hard to
> make the meal as best they can. They are taking allot of trouble. You
> do NOT IMPOSE on your host by asking what is being served and then
> setting conditions. I know that isn't always why ALL people ask that
> question. But more often than not...I think it is.
>
> Close friends who delite in my cooking ask me what is for dinner when
> I invite them. Sometimes I suprise them, Sometimes I tell them if I
> know I am preparing a fav. of theirs.
>
> Most often I reply with......."Your good company".
>
>


> People that are invited and take over the grill.


Lighten up and don't be such a control freak. Men gather around the grill
like women gather in the kitchen.
Fire and raw meat attract males.

And who the hell ever had a party using a grill that DIDN'T expect men to
gather around the grill and offer advice and help out?

>
> At the least, they will never be asked back. At worst, they will be
> beated with sticks.
>
>
>
> Well done steaks.
>


I am with you on that one.

>
> I assume no responsiblity for well done steaks. Yes, I buy the bet I
> can find. Prime or the top choice my butcher can obtain. Yes it is
> expensive. But you want to eat it burnt? I can do that. Your
> friendship is worth more to me than the cost of the steak.
>
> I will give you a fair amount of good natured hell for your request :)
>
>
> Guests that can't eat this or that.


I suppose you prefer people be polite and have hives or go into shock,
rather than avoid foods to which they have an allergy.
And what kind of ass invites vegans or orthodox Jews or Muslims to a roast
pork barbeque?

>
> If they can't eat it, I won't serve it to them. If they can't eat pork
> and I am making ribs, I provide something of the same quality just for
> them. It is NOT too much trouble. I must like them enought to make a
> small adjustment if I invited them in the 1st place. I make great,
> slow smoked ribbs. My special rub and sauce. My best friend is on
> Atkins. I make a special rub and sauce just for him when we have a
> family cook out at my place. Same for my dad who has Type 2 AOSD.
>
>
> Picky eaters.
>
> My wife is the pickiest eater in the world. I cook as I do. Picky
> eaters can just PICK OFF what they don't like. You will not offend me
> by picking out the onions, peas, garlic, etc.. Drive me nuts? Yep.
> Offend me? Nope.
>
>
> That is a plate. That is a napkin. My floor is not for crumbs. My
> plates are not ash trays. Crawl out of the cave, this is 2006.
>
>
> Red wine/white wine.
>
>
> What ever you like. Yes, you may have red wine with fish.
>
>
>
> High heat/low heat for a roast (beef)?
>
>
> Heat onion in olive oil and butter in a cast iron skillet to soft and
> translucent and season it with what ever you are seasoning the roast
> with. Add a head of corse chopped garlic for about 1 min. over med.
> heat. Remove and place in your roasting pan.
>
> Rinse and pat dry your roast. Season. For a chuck roast I use kosher
> salt, corse black pepper, garlic and onion powder, basil, oregano, Old
> Bay. Be generous. In the same cast iron skillet that you did the
> onions and garlic in, brown well all sides of the roast.
>
> Place the roast on top of the onions/garlic.
>
> Deglaze the skillet with equal amounts of red wine and beef broth
> (about 2 cups total). Reduce by half. Add wostershire sauce (1/8 cup
> of so) and heat for 3-5 min. more. Pour over roast.
>
> Add 1 cup beef broth to roasting pan and cover with foil twice. TWICE.
> Crimp foil to form the best seal you can.
>
> Set oven to desired doneness. Like 150f.
>
> Cook till fork goes in with some resistance but will rip the meat if
> twisted.
>
> Raise temp to 400f. Cook till meat almost wants to fall apart.
>
> Pan juices can be used to make a gravy.
>
>
> The answer? Both low and high heat.
>
> Just IMHO of course :)
>
>
> Ethnic food.
>
> Make it ETHNIC. No Tex/hex, Oriental fussion, German/Alaskin.
>
> I you are gonna make it Tex/Mex, fine. Say so. Don't call it Mexican
> food.
>
>
> If you want fast food, go to Mickey D's. If you want my food, please
> allow me the time to prepare it the way it is intended to be served.
>
>
> Late guests.
>
> Eat late. I will reheat, but don't expect me to ignore my other
> guests while I do so.
>
>
> Early guests.
>
> Get the dirty jobs.
>
>
> Drinks.
>
>
> I owned a Resturant/Bar and can make 1M of them. No, I do not have all
> the booze to do so. Don't ask for a "Purple Hooter" enless you brought
> the stuff for me to make it. (Vodka, Razzmatazz, Cranberry juice)
>
>
> Smoking.
>
>
> I smoke. But not while people are eating. If I invited you over for
> dinner, I already know if you smoke. If you invite me, you know that I
> do.
>
> I will not smoke in your house enless you let me know that is is OK. I
> live just outside of Chicago. If you ask me over for a dinner party in
> Jan. and it is -60 outside I will not smoke outside, and no, I can not
> just "not smoke" for the next 4 hours. I have an addiction that is
> legal in all states. If you can't provide indoor shelter for me while
> I get my "fix", I will gracefully decline your invitation. No hard
> feelings.
>
> If you invite me and say smoking will be OK and then change it to NO
> SMOKING when I get there, I will leave. I will never come back for a
> dinner party again. You lied to me plain and simple. You wanted my
> company enough to decieve me? I may be a nasty smoker with a filthy
> habbit. But you my friend put your guest in a very uncomfortable
> position when your job as host is to put your guest a ease.
>
>
> BBQ sauce.
>
> Red, Mustard, Vinagar based.
>
> What ever you like!
>
>
> The people of this group.
>
> I been around on usenet a Looooooogggg time. I post here once in a
> great while. I read most of what is posted every day.
>
> Great bunch of people. And also some strange people too here and
> there. You got some great cooks, weirdos, a guy who thinks he knows it
> all, a guy who likes to post himself nude in other groups, someone who
> calls Slop to task (funny and true stuff), in short, a cross section
> of life.
>
> I like it here.
>
>
> All of the above is just my opinion. I do not claim to know it all,
> have the answer to the meaning of life, or know the location of the
> ark of the covenant.
>
>
> I do know know to cook, like to eat, find humor in the small things,
> love to read, and enjoy your good company.
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Vega
>
>
>
>
>
>





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