wrote:
> Joe Bruno wrote:
> > 127.0.0.1 wrote:
> > > Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> > > quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
> > > Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last week
> > > we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the small
> > > encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on many food
> > > cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The message gave us some
> > > clues and suggested that we do some research into the subject. What we
> > > found certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
> > >
> > > Some common kosher symbolsOn arriving at my residence, I immediately went to
> > > the pantry to verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure
> > > enough, most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> > > Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
> > > markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
> > > Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
> > > Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the (U)
> > > or (K) mark on them.
> > >
> > > We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies to
> > > asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the Folgers
> > > Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads plastic zip lock
> > > sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as most others, have
> > > 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages for consumers to call in
> > > case they have any questions about their products. When we asked the
> > > Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee
> > > container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her supervisor.
> > > She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the coffee was "
> > > certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to
> > > be "kosher" and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer
> > > these and other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate
> > > Public Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask
> > > what the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
> > > she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher" but
> > > refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox Corporation has
> > > to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.
> > >
> > > What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned that
> > > major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax amounting
> > > to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to receive protection.
> > > This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of the
> > > products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> > > consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned not to buy
> > > any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and other similar
> > > markings.
> > >
> > > Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
> > > sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the perpetrators of
> > > these elaborate extortion schemes are actually Rabbinical Councils that are
> > > set up, not just in the U.S. but in other western countries as well. For
> > > example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run by those who
> > > license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection for many
> > > products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This symbol is
> > > managed by the The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters
> > > at 333 Seventh Avenue in New York City.
> > >
> > > The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast amounts
> > > of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of Orthodox Rabbis
> > > to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in Israel. The website of
> > > the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is full of pro-Israel and
> > > anti-Palestinian propaganda.
> > >
> > > The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
> > > approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
> > > certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a boycott by
> > > every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food companies, succumb to
> > > the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish dominated media and a boycott
> > > that may eventually culminate in bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know
> > > that the cost can be passed on to the consumer anyway. The food companies
> > > have kept secret from the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the
> > > amount of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
> > >
> > > It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
> > > manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the "Kosher
> > > Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200 Rabbi agents
> > > that are spread through out the U.S. Food companies must first pay an
> > > exorbitant application fee and than a large annual fee for the use of the
> > > (U) copyright symbol. Secondly, the companies must pay separate fees each
> > > time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" the company's operations.
> > > Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
> > > lucrative salaries.
> > >
> > > The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food companies
> > > to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is estimated to be
> > > in the billions since the scam first started. The Orthodox Jewish Councils
> > > as well as the food companies keep the amount of the fees very secret. The
> > > Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote about the problem many years ago,
> > > but they have stopped writing about it now.
> > >
> > > Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will eventually
> > > help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public education of the
> > > scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of all products with the
> > > (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I certainly do not need to pay
> > > extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee" or "kosher plastic sandwich
> > > bags". In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
> > > for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax.
> >
> > Taxes are imposed by government on all products of a certain type, not
> > just certain brands.
> >
> > Are there any bright attorneys out
> > > there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of Orthodox
> > > Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and other
> > > non-Jewish people?
> > >
> > > http://www.aztlan.net/koshernostra.htm
> >
> >
> > PSSST! All ya gotta do is read the label. If it has the Kosher symbol
> > on it, you put the damn thing back on the shelf and go buy something
> > else.
>
> That's hardly the point is it? Why not just putall kosher products
in a special
> section of the market and clearly state that they *are* Kosher?


At this point that would be nearly impossible, as the scheme has become
so pervasive that 85% of all packaged foodstuffs sold in the USA are
now Kosher Certified. It would be far more efficient to create a
special section for the 15% of packaged foods that are *non-Kosher*.

I would suspect that, of the 15% of products that don't bear the
Kosher Seal, most don't because they CAN'T be certified - IOW, they
contain ingredients or combinations of ingredients that make them
inherently non-Kosher: Containing forbidden meats, the mixing meat
products with dairy products, etc.

So the Kosher Kabal has pretty much saturated the market.


> Why should customers have to check everything that they buy to see if it's
> Kosher?

Why indeed. 90% of the general public have no idea what the tiny,
obscure Kosher Seals mean, and base their buying decisions on factors
of price, quality, familiarity, etc. yet they PAY so that Jews can have
the privilege of eating Kosher from a can.


> > If you can't read, have your Momma do your shopping for you.
> >
> > If she can't read, send your Daddy to do it.
> >
> > If he can't read, send Grandpa.
> >
> > If he can't read, send your Aunt Phoebe.
> >
> > If she can't read, and Kosher food really bothers you, I guess you'll
> > just starve to death.
>
> What is kosher about bleach?


Nothing. Bleach is a neutral substance (a poison, in fact), and can
neither be Kosher nor non-Kosher. Kosher certifying bleach makes as
much sense as if the FDA were to regulate golf balls.

As I mentioned above, the Kosher industry has saturated the market, and
must now work on conning manufacturers into "certifying" things
that are entirely irrelevant to the issue - things like bleach, window
cleaner, rubbing alcohol, etc.

The Kosher Kabal has no scruples, but they have an abundance of
"screwples". They have been a con industry from the start, and as
the market saturation increases, they will get worse.


> What is the difference between Kosher
> and other foodstuffs?


"Kosher" goodies are "safe for Jews to eat", meaning that they
comply with ancient and arcane Jewish religious superstitions based on
a handful of simple Old Testament/Torah scriptures that, over the ages,
Jewish "sages" have managed to blow up into a complicated,
intricate and entirely nonsensical set of "rules" that govern the
eating habits of Jews. These rules are so complex and so ridiculous
that the vast majority of Jews won't even try - and those who do
"keep kosher" (less than one million in the USA) are virtual slaves
to these silly superstitions.


> All animals are bled in the slaughterhouse, so
> why
> is it necessary to slit their throats without first stunning them?

Again, religious superstition. The Torah tells Jews which animals (and
which parts) they may eat, and prescribes the method of slaughter -
throat cutting. They are to avoid blood, so the animal must be
thoroughly bled, and the meat soaked in cold water and salted. Also
there is a prohibition against eating certain parts of some animals. In
the case of beef, only the front quarters of the animal are
"Kosher", so the rest of the beast is sold off to the Gentile
market, who have no idea that they are buying the "dregs' of Jewish
Ritual Slaughter".

Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
as its non-Kosher counterparts.


> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the favour.


Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known, there is little doubt
that the companies would quickly dump the Rabbinical Racketeers and
their scam, forcing Jews to foot the bill for their queer eating
habits. (Of course, they would immediately call the companies
"Nazis" and spread rumors of an impending "food Holocaust",
probably mentioning the number "six million" repeatedly)


> Let jew companies only stamp their products "Kosher" and leave the rest of us to buy
> from our own kind.


These are not necessarily "Jew companies". They are mainstream
corporations, like Heinz, Hunts, Del Monte, Frito Lay, Pepsico,
Nabisco, Green Giant, etc. (not to mention the generic brands) that
have been conned by the Kashrus (Kash-R-Us) agencies into believing
that they will make oodles of money if they allow the agencies to
certify their goodies as "fit for Jewish consumption". The do this
by cunningly misrepresenting the true size and scope of the portion of
the population that they call "Kosher Consumers".

They claim that is not just Jews who actively look for the mark of the
Kosher Beast while shopping, but many non-Jews as well. And while this
is true, they misrepresent the size of this market, and the extent of
the interest that any of these non-Jewish groups might have in
"Kosher".

Furthermore, there is a subtle but active campaign to fool the Gentile
consumer into believing that "Kosher Certification" means that a
product is somehow better, safer, cleaner, more healthy, or is less
likely to contain pathogens or contaminants. THIS IS NOT TRUE.

Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
Gentiles from their money.

**

Waldo

Observer at Large

Waldo wrote:
> wrote:
> > Joe Bruno wrote:
> > > 127.0.0.1 wrote:
> > > > Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> > > > quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
> > > > Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last week
> > > > we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the small
> > > > encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on many food
> > > > cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The message gave us some
> > > > clues and suggested that we do some research into the subject. What we
> > > > found certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
> > > >
> > > > Some common kosher symbolsOn arriving at my residence, I immediately went to
> > > > the pantry to verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure
> > > > enough, most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> > > > Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
> > > > markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
> > > > Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
> > > > Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the (U)
> > > > or (K) mark on them.
> > > >
> > > > We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies to
> > > > asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the Folgers
> > > > Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads plastic zip lock
> > > > sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as most others, have
> > > > 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages for consumers to call in
> > > > case they have any questions about their products. When we asked the
> > > > Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee
> > > > container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her supervisor.
> > > > She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the coffee was "
> > > > certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to
> > > > be "kosher" and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer
> > > > these and other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate
> > > > Public Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask
> > > > what the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
> > > > she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher" but
> > > > refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox Corporation has
> > > > to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.
> > > >
> > > > What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned that
> > > > major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax amounting
> > > > to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to receive protection.
> > > > This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of the
> > > > products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> > > > consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned not to buy
> > > > any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and other similar
> > > > markings.
> > > >
> > > > Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
> > > > sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the perpetrators of
> > > > these elaborate extortion schemes are actually Rabbinical Councils that are
> > > > set up, not just in the U.S. but in other western countries as well. For
> > > > example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run by those who
> > > > license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection for many
> > > > products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This symbol is
> > > > managed by the The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters
> > > > at 333 Seventh Avenue in New York City.
> > > >
> > > > The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast amounts
> > > > of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of Orthodox Rabbis
> > > > to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in Israel. The website of
> > > > the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is full of pro-Israel and
> > > > anti-Palestinian propaganda.
> > > >
> > > > The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
> > > > approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
> > > > certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a boycott by
> > > > every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food companies, succumb to
> > > > the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish dominated media and a boycott
> > > > that may eventually culminate in bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know
> > > > that the cost can be passed on to the consumer anyway. The food companies
> > > > have kept secret from the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the
> > > > amount of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
> > > >
> > > > It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
> > > > manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the "Kosher
> > > > Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200 Rabbi agents
> > > > that are spread through out the U.S. Food companies must first pay an
> > > > exorbitant application fee and than a large annual fee for the use of the
> > > > (U) copyright symbol. Secondly, the companies must pay separate fees each
> > > > time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" the company's operations.
> > > > Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
> > > > lucrative salaries.
> > > >
> > > > The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food companies
> > > > to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is estimated to be
> > > > in the billions since the scam first started. The Orthodox Jewish Councils
> > > > as well as the food companies keep the amount of the fees very secret. The
> > > > Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote about the problem many years ago,
> > > > but they have stopped writing about it now.
> > > >
> > > > Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will eventually
> > > > help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public education of the
> > > > scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of all products with the
> > > > (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I certainly do not need to pay
> > > > extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee" or "kosher plastic sandwich
> > > > bags". In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
> > > > for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax.
> > >
> > > Taxes are imposed by government on all products of a certain type, not
> > > just certain brands.
> > >
> > > Are there any bright attorneys out
> > > > there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of Orthodox
> > > > Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and other
> > > > non-Jewish people?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.aztlan.net/koshernostra.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > PSSST! All ya gotta do is read the label. If it has the Kosher symbol
> > > on it, you put the damn thing back on the shelf and go buy something
> > > else.
> >
> > That's hardly the point is it? Why not just putall kosher products
> in a special
> > section of the market and clearly state that they *are* Kosher?
>
>
> At this point that would be nearly impossible, as the scheme has become
> so pervasive that 85% of all packaged foodstuffs sold in the USA are
> now Kosher Certified. It would be far more efficient to create a
> special section for the 15% of packaged foods that are *non-Kosher*.
>
> I would suspect that, of the 15% of products that don't bear the
> Kosher Seal, most don't because they CAN'T be certified - IOW, they
> contain ingredients or combinations of ingredients that make them
> inherently non-Kosher: Containing forbidden meats, the mixing meat
> products with dairy products, etc.

"Don't seethe a calf in its mothers milk". i.e. Don't add insult to
injury.
>
> So the Kosher Kabal has pretty much saturated the market.
>
>
> > Why should customers have to check everything that they buy to see if it's
> > Kosher?
>
> Why indeed. 90% of the general public have no idea what the tiny,
> obscure Kosher Seals mean, and base their buying decisions on factors
> of price, quality, familiarity, etc. yet they PAY so that Jews can have
> the privilege of eating Kosher from a can.

Then let them buy from shops that sell only kosher.
>
>
> > > If you can't read, have your Momma do your shopping for you.
> > >
> > > If she can't read, send your Daddy to do it.
> > >
> > > If he can't read, send Grandpa.
> > >
> > > If he can't read, send your Aunt Phoebe.
> > >
> > > If she can't read, and Kosher food really bothers you, I guess you'll
> > > just starve to death.
> >
> > What is kosher about bleach?
>
>
> Nothing. Bleach is a neutral substance (a poison, in fact), and can
> neither be Kosher nor non-Kosher. Kosher certifying bleach makes as
> much sense as if the FDA were to regulate golf balls.

They are next
>
> As I mentioned above, the Kosher industry has saturated the market, and
> must now work on conning manufacturers into "certifying" things
> that are entirely irrelevant to the issue - things like bleach, window
> cleaner, rubbing alcohol, etc.
>
> The Kosher Kabal has no scruples, but they have an abundance of
> "screwples". They have been a con industry from the start, and as
> the market saturation increases, they will get worse.
>
>
> > What is the difference between Kosher
> > and other foodstuffs?
>
>
> "Kosher" goodies are "safe for Jews to eat", meaning that they
> comply with ancient and arcane Jewish religious superstitions based on
> a handful of simple Old Testament/Torah scriptures that, over the ages,
> Jewish "sages" have managed to blow up into a complicated,
> intricate and entirely nonsensical set of "rules" that govern the
> eating habits of Jews. These rules are so complex and so ridiculous
> that the vast majority of Jews won't even try - and those who do
> "keep kosher" (less than one million in the USA) are virtual slaves
> to these silly superstitions.

I am familiar with The Torah and its daft food laws, none of which
makes any
sense whatsoever. What is wrong with shellfish eg.? What is wrong
with pork? My market sells "Kosher chicken". All chickens are
slaughtered
the same way so what is "Kosher" about those slaughtered in kosher
slaughter houses?
>
>
> > All animals are bled in the slaughterhouse, so
> > why is it necessary to slit their throats without first stunning them?
>
> Again, religious superstition. The Torah tells Jews which animals (and
> which parts) they may eat, and prescribes the method of slaughter -
> throat cutting. They are to avoid blood, so the animal must be
> thoroughly bled, and the meat soaked in cold water and salted. Also
> there is a prohibition against eating certain parts of some animals. In
> the case of beef, only the front quarters of the animal are
> "Kosher", so the rest of the beast is sold off to the Gentile
> market, who have no idea that they are buying the "dregs' of Jewish
> Ritual Slaughter".
>
> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
> as its non-Kosher counterparts.

I just loooooooove pastrami
>
>
> > This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
> > general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the favour.
>
>
> Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known, there is little doubt
> that the companies would quickly dump the Rabbinical Racketeers and
> their scam, forcing Jews to foot the bill for their queer eating
> habits. (Of course, they would immediately call the companies
> "Nazis" and spread rumors of an impending "food Holocaust",
> probably mentioning the number "six million" repeatedly)
>
>
> > Let jew companies only stamp their products "Kosher" and leave the rest of us to buy
> > from our own kind.
>
>
> These are not necessarily "Jew companies". They are mainstream
> corporations, like Heinz, Hunts, Del Monte, Frito Lay, Pepsico,
> Nabisco, Green Giant, etc. (not to mention the generic brands) that
> have been conned by the Kashrus (Kash-R-Us) agencies into believing
> that they will make oodles of money if they allow the agencies to
> certify their goodies as "fit for Jewish consumption". The do this
> by cunningly misrepresenting the true size and scope of the portion of
> the population that they call "Kosher Consumers".

I agree, it's a racket and if it weren't for the wealth of the jew
in this country,
these companies would tell them to go to hell.
>
> They claim that is not just Jews who actively look for the mark of the
> Kosher Beast while shopping, but many non-Jews as well. And while this
> is true, they misrepresent the size of this market, and the extent of
> the interest that any of these non-Jewish groups might have in
> "Kosher".
>
> Furthermore, there is a subtle but active campaign to fool the Gentile
> consumer into believing that "Kosher Certification" means that a
> product is somehow better, safer, cleaner, more healthy, or is less
> likely to contain pathogens or contaminants. THIS IS NOT TRUE.
>
> Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> Gentiles from their money.

Something they have been doing since Cain killed Abel and fled to
East of Eden.

"Waldo" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> Joe Bruno wrote:
>> > 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> > > Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de
>> > > Aztlan receives
>> > > quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and
>> > > readers.
>> > > Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention.
>> > > Last week
>> > > we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of
>> > > the small
>> > > encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on
>> > > many food
>> > > cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The message
>> > > gave us some
>> > > clues and suggested that we do some research into the subject.
>> > > What we
>> > > found certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and
>> > > angered us.
>> > >
>> > > Some common kosher symbolsOn arriving at my residence, I
>> > > immediately went to
>> > > the pantry to verify that what I had just learned was actually
>> > > true. Sure
>> > > enough, most of the packaged and canned foods from major
>> > > companies, like
>> > > Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>> > > similar
>> > > markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>> > > Coffee, the
>> > > Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the
>> > > Trader
>> > > Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton
>> > > had the (U)
>> > > or (K) mark on them.
>> > >
>> > > We needed a little more verification so we called two major
>> > > companies to
>> > > asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets
>> > > the Folgers
>> > > Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>> > > plastic zip lock
>> > > sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as most
>> > > others, have
>> > > 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages for consumers
>> > > to call in
>> > > case they have any questions about their products. When we
>> > > asked the
>> > > Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on their
>> > > Folgers Coffee
>> > > container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her
>> > > supervisor.
>> > > She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the
>> > > coffee was "
>> > > certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the
>> > > coffee to
>> > > be "kosher" and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused
>> > > to answer
>> > > these and other questions. She suggested that we write to their
>> > > Corporate
>> > > Public Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox
>> > > Corporation to ask
>> > > what the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic
>> > > sandwich bags and
>> > > she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were
>> > > "kosher" but
>> > > refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>> > > Corporation has
>> > > to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.
>> > >
>> > > What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I
>> > > learned that
>> > > major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish
>> > > Tax amounting
>> > > to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to receive
>> > > protection.
>> > > This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish
>> > > consumers of the
>> > > products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or
>> > > suffer the
>> > > consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>> > > not to buy
>> > > any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>> > > other similar
>> > > markings.
>> > >
>> > > Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>> > > sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>> > > perpetrators of
>> > > these elaborate extortion schemes are actually Rabbinical
>> > > Councils that are
>> > > set up, not just in the U.S. but in other western countries as
>> > > well. For
>> > > example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run by
>> > > those who
>> > > license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection for
>> > > many
>> > > products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This
>> > > symbol is
>> > > managed by the The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations with
>> > > headquarters
>> > > at 333 Seventh Avenue in New York City.
>> > >
>> > > The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating
>> > > vast amounts
>> > > of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>> > > Orthodox Rabbis
>> > > to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in Israel. The
>> > > website of
>> > > the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is full of
>> > > pro-Israel and
>> > > anti-Palestinian propaganda.
>> > >
>> > > The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox
>> > > Rabbi
>> > > approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their
>> > > product is
>> > > certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face
>> > > a boycott by
>> > > every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food companies,
>> > > succumb to
>> > > the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish dominated media and
>> > > a boycott
>> > > that may eventually culminate in bankruptcy. Also, the food
>> > > companies know
>> > > that the cost can be passed on to the consumer anyway. The food
>> > > companies
>> > > have kept secret from the general consumer the meaning of the
>> > > (U) and the
>> > > amount of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
>> > >
>> > > It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish
>> > > Congregations, which
>> > > manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of
>> > > the "Kosher
>> > > Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200
>> > > Rabbi agents
>> > > that are spread through out the U.S. Food companies must first
>> > > pay an
>> > > exorbitant application fee and than a large annual fee for the
>> > > use of the
>> > > (U) copyright symbol. Secondly, the companies must pay separate
>> > > fees each
>> > > time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" the company's
>> > > operations.
>> > > Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at
>> > > very
>> > > lucrative salaries.
>> > >
>> > > The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the
>> > > food companies
>> > > to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
>> > > estimated to be
>> > > in the billions since the scam first started. The Orthodox
>> > > Jewish Councils
>> > > as well as the food companies keep the amount of the fees very
>> > > secret. The
>> > > Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote about the problem many
>> > > years ago,
>> > > but they have stopped writing about it now.
>> > >
>> > > Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
>> > > eventually
>> > > help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public
>> > > education of the
>> > > scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of all products
>> > > with the
>> > > (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I certainly do not
>> > > need to pay
>> > > extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee" or "kosher plastic
>> > > sandwich
>> > > bags". In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay
>> > > over the years
>> > > for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax.
>> >
>> > Taxes are imposed by government on all products of a certain
>> > type, not
>> > just certain brands.
>> >
>> > Are there any bright attorneys out
>> > > there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of
>> > > Orthodox
>> > > Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and
>> > > other
>> > > non-Jewish people?
>> > >
>> > > http://www.aztlan.net/koshernostra.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > PSSST! All ya gotta do is read the label. If it has the Kosher
>> > symbol
>> > on it, you put the damn thing back on the shelf and go buy
>> > something
>> > else.
>>
> > That's hardly the point is it? Why not just putall kosher
> > products
> in a special
> > section of the market and clearly state that they *are* Kosher?
>
>
> At this point that would be nearly impossible, as the scheme has
> become
> so pervasive that 85% of all packaged foodstuffs sold in the USA are
> now Kosher Certified. It would be far more efficient to create a
> special section for the 15% of packaged foods that are *non-Kosher*.

Except that only a few lonely cowards like you would be interested.

And as I'm sure you've noticed, modern culture has little interest in
category to the likes of you.

> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
> expensive
> as its non-Kosher counterparts.

And is only purchased by those who want it.

>> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
>> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the
>> favour.
>
>
> Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known,

There is no scam. Just the rantings of halfwit Jew haters who know
nothing about the food industry, marketing, or business.

Stick to the basement.

--
Philip Mathews

On 18-Oct-2006, > wrote:

> "Waldo" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > wrote:

[snip lies/exaggerations & general cra[]

> > Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
> > expensive
> > as its non-Kosher counterparts.
>
> And is only purchased by those who want it.
>
> >> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
> >> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the
> >> favour.
> >
> >
> > Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known,
>
> There is no scam. Just the rantings of halfwit Jew haters who know
> nothing about the food industry, marketing, or business.
>
> Stick to the basement.

If I were as easily led as these losers - unable to resist buying something
they claim they hate - a basement might be a good place for me.

Susan

wrote:
> On 18-Oct-2006, > wrote:
>
> > "Waldo" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > >
> > > wrote:
>
> [snip lies/exaggerations & general cra[]
>
> > > Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
> > > expensive
> > > as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> >
> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
> >
> > >> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
> > >> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the
> > >> favour.
> > >
> > >
> > > Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known,
> >
> > There is no scam. Just the rantings of halfwit Jew haters who know
> > nothing about the food industry, marketing, or business.
> >
> > Stick to the basement.
>
> If I were as easily led as these losers - unable to resist buying something
> they claim they hate - a basement might be a good place for me.
>
> Susan



It's really alot of noise. To avoid buying Kosher food, all ya gotta do
is read the label the first time. New Kosher certifications don't
happen very often. I don't even look for the symbol. I buy on the basis
of price after I read the label and assure myself that the ingredients
are low in fat and salt..Yet, the inventory of packaged foods I posted
shows overwhelmingly non-Kosher material.

It is, as Shakespeare wrote"Much Ado About Nothing".

"Joe Bruno" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> On 18-Oct-2006, > wrote:
>>
>> > "Waldo" > wrote in message
>> > ups.com...
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> [snip lies/exaggerations & general cra[]
>>
>> > > Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
>> > > expensive
>> > > as its non-Kosher counterparts.
>> >
>> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
>> >
>> > >> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
>> > >> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the
>> > >> favour.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known,
>> >
>> > There is no scam. Just the rantings of halfwit Jew haters who know
>> > nothing about the food industry, marketing, or business.
>> >
>> > Stick to the basement.
>>
>> If I were as easily led as these losers - unable to resist buying
>> something
>> they claim they hate - a basement might be a good place for me.
>>
>> Susan
>
>
>
> It's really alot of noise. To avoid buying Kosher food, all ya gotta do
> is read the label the first time. New Kosher certifications don't
> happen very often. I don't even look for the symbol. I buy on the basis
> of price after I read the label and assure myself that the ingredients
> are low in fat and salt..Yet, the inventory of packaged foods I posted
> shows overwhelmingly non-Kosher material.
>

The list of your pantry contents shows partly why you're such a ****ing
retard, joey. It's shite food - the lot of it.




>

Joe Bruno wrote:
> wrote:
> > On 18-Oct-2006, > wrote:
> >
> > > "Waldo" > wrote in message
> > > ups.com...
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > [snip lies/exaggerations & general cra[]
> >
> > > > Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
> > > > expensive
> > > > as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> > >
> > > And is only purchased by those who want it.
> > >
> > > >> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
> > > >> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the
> > > >> favour.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known,
> > >
> > > There is no scam. Just the rantings of halfwit Jew haters who know
> > > nothing about the food industry, marketing, or business.
> > >
> > > Stick to the basement.
> >
> > If I were as easily led as these losers - unable to resist buying something
> > they claim they hate - a basement might be a good place for me.

Squeaks the resident airhead.
> >
> > Susan

> It's really alot of noise. To avoid buying Kosher food, all ya gotta do
> is read the label the first time. New Kosher certifications don't
> happen very often. I don't even look for the symbol. I buy on the basis
> of price after I read the label and assure myself that the ingredients
> are low in fat and salt..Yet, the inventory of packaged foods I posted
> shows overwhelmingly non-Kosher material.
>
> It is, as Shakespeare wrote"Much Ado About Nothing".

Rubbish. Let jews buy kosher if they want to, why should others be
forced
to buy it? I say again, no-one checks the content of the stuff they
buy, they
buy according to their tastes and cost. Until this kosher scam
became
known, who but the jew knew that a "U" e.g. on a product meant
"kosher"?

Speaking of kosher, I found that very same "U" on a box of Weetabix
in my house.

Weetabix is a British product and the Weetabix company has a Royal
Warrant
that entitles them to claim that they are " Makers of breakfast
foods to H.M. The Queen"
It would appear that the jews are active in every country and have
the
inflence to pull these kind of scams on every company stupid enough
to
fall for it.
Is there some reason that The Queen has to eat kosher foods for
breakfast.
Does she even know she is eating kosher!!!

"Kosher cereal foods" ?? Almost as bad as kosher bleach.

Let the jew eat kosher, leave the rest of us alone.

wrote:
> On 18-Oct-2006, > wrote:
>
> > "Waldo" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > >
> > > wrote:
>
> [snip lies/exaggerations & general cra[]
>
> > > Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
> > > expensive
> > > as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> >
> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
> >
> > >> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
> > >> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the
> > >> favour.
> > >
> > >
> > > Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known,
> >
> > There is no scam. Just the rantings of halfwit Jew haters who know
> > nothing about the food industry, marketing, or business.
> >
> > Stick to the basement.
>
> If I were as easily led as these losers - unable to resist buying something
> they claim they hate - a basement might be a good place for me.

The best place for you is a nice padded cell in a very secure
facility
and two men in white keeping a very sharp eye on you to make sure
you don't get free from that straitjacket.

Kosher Weetabix?? !! I hope H.M. The Queen never finds out or
the Weetabix Co. will lose their Royal Warrant.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> On 18-Oct-2006, > wrote:
>>
>> > "Waldo" > wrote in message
>> > ups.com...
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> [snip lies/exaggerations & general cra[]
>>
>> > > Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
>> > > expensive
>> > > as its non-Kosher counterparts.
>> >
>> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
>> >
>> > >> This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
>> > >> general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the
>> > >> favour.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known,
>> >
>> > There is no scam. Just the rantings of halfwit Jew haters who know
>> > nothing about the food industry, marketing, or business.
>> >
>> > Stick to the basement.
>>
>> If I were as easily led as these losers - unable to resist buying
>> something
>> they claim they hate - a basement might be a good place for me.
>
> The best place for you is a nice padded cell in a very secure
> facility
> and two men in white keeping a very sharp eye on you to make sure
> you don't get free from that straitjacket.
>
> Kosher Weetabix?? !! I hope H.M. The Queen never finds out or
> the Weetabix Co. will lose their Royal Warrant.

No surprise here.
After all, cohen is unable to resist Bruno's lies hook, line and sinker.

> wrote in message
. ..

..
>
>> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
>> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
>
> And is only purchased by those who want it.

You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying kosher
certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.

Benjie wrote:
> > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> .
> >
> >> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
> >> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> >
> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
>
> You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying kosher
> certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.



So you don't read the labels?
Many packaged foods are loaded with salt, fat, and MSG.

Are ya gonna blame the Jews if you get sick? Try taking that one to
court and listen to the judge laugh at you.

On 19-Oct-2006, "Joe Bruno" > wrote:

> Benjie wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >
> > .
> > >
> > >> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as
> > >> expensive
> > >> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> > >
> > > And is only purchased by those who want it.
> >
> > You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying
> > kosher
> > certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.

It tales a REAL c*nt to "accidentally" buy kosher meat!!!
(That is, of course, what Philip said, above).
But there's no real surprise, there.
>
>
> So you don't read the labels?
> Many packaged foods are loaded with salt, fat, and MSG.

I've always said that the sexist fat jokes they made were purely
projectionary - this rather proves it.
>
> Are ya gonna blame the Jews if you get sick? Try taking that one to
> court and listen to the judge laugh at you.

I think I'd pay a good deal to see that one.

Susan

"Joe Bruno" > wrote in message
s.com...
>
> Benjie wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>
>> .
>> >
>> >> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
>> >> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
>> >
>> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
>>
>> You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying kosher
>> certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.
>
>
>
> So you don't read the labels?
> Many packaged foods are loaded with salt, fat, and MSG.
>
> Are ya gonna blame the Jews if you get sick?

I blame the yids for making the entire world sick, joey. Sick of lies,
deceit, depravity, dishonesty, moaning, brutality and terrorism.

In article >,
Benjie .> wrote:

(horrible drivel given the snip)

"Ben", can you please elaborate further on those "shitty
experiences with hallucinogenics" you had? Message-ID:
<1125145048.cafe8828396fceebe6c6eb01bec409b3@teran ews>.

Seems you suffered some serious damage. Why don't you
seek help?

RJ.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:54 +1000, in
>, "Benjie"
.> wrote:

> > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> .
> >> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
> >> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> >
> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
>
> You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying kosher
> certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.

Why would you eat shite, Kosher or not Kosher?

--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time

Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org

"Gord McFee" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:54 +1000, in
> >, "Benjie"
> .> wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>
>> .
>> >> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
>> >> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
>> >
>> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
>>
>> You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying kosher
>> certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.
>
> Why would you eat shite, Kosher or not Kosher?

It's only classified as "shite" since I discovered the very well disguised
kosher symbol.

I took some pre-packaged food items to a meeting recently, and asked the
attendees to look carefully at the labels and list their thoughts on what
the various symbols meant. NOT ONE of them picked the kosher certification,
and NOT ONE of them knew what kosher certification was.

Isn't that interesting?

In article >,
Benjie .> wrote:

> I took some pre-packaged food items to a meeting recently,

Prove that this alleged meeting ever took place, doper. Are
you sure you're not hallucinating again?

"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- the neo-Nazi "Ben Cramer" reflects on his usage of
hallucinatory drugs. Source:
Message-ID: <1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teran ews>

RJ.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:04:53 +1000, in
>, "Benjie"
.> wrote:

> "Gord McFee" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:54 +1000, in
> > >, "Benjie"
> > .> wrote:
> >
> >> > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >>
> >> .
> >> >> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
> >> >> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> >> >
> >> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
> >>
> >> You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying kosher
> >> certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.
> >
> > Why would you eat shite, Kosher or not Kosher?
>
> It's only classified as "shite" since I discovered the very well disguised
> kosher symbol.

That says a lot more than you thought it did.

> I took some pre-packaged food items to a meeting recently, and asked the
> attendees to look carefully at the labels and list their thoughts on what
> the various symbols meant. NOT ONE of them picked the kosher certification,
> and NOT ONE of them knew what kosher certification was.
>
> Isn't that interesting?

Nope.

--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time

Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org

Benjie wrote:
> "Gord McFee" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:54 +1000, in
> > >, "Benjie"
> > .> wrote:
> >
> >> > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >>
> >> .
> >> >> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
> >> >> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
> >> >
> >> > And is only purchased by those who want it.
> >>
> >> You lying ****, philthy. I've recently discovered I've been buying kosher
> >> certified shite for years, and I didn't "want" it. Not happy.
> >
> > Why would you eat shite, Kosher or not Kosher?
>
> It's only classified as "shite" since I discovered the very well disguised
> kosher symbol.
>
> I took some pre-packaged food items to a meeting recently, and asked the
> attendees to look carefully at the labels and list their thoughts on what
> the various symbols meant. NOT ONE of them picked the kosher certification,
> and NOT ONE of them knew what kosher certification was.
>
> Isn't that interesting?



It indicates that they probably don't care. If the food is of good
quality and priced right, everything else is unimportant to them. I
don't look for the cert symbols, either. I buy the cheapest food of
good quality I can find. If Kosher certification inflated the price of
something beyond that of other brands, I wouldn't buy it and whether it
had the symbol wouldn't matter.

Of course, I'm a very practical man who sets priorities for his life. I
don't waste time with vendettas against imagined enemies and
non-existant problems.

(Cross-postings removed)

Waldo wrote:
> Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> Gentiles from their money.

I doubt I can change your mind, but for the edification of others,
here's the Snopes page about this:
http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm

Brian Huntley wrote:
> (Cross-postings removed)

Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
seeing this Snopes article answered.

> Waldo wrote:
> > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > Gentiles from their money.
>
> I doubt I can change your mind, but for the edification of others,
> here's the Snopes page about this:
> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm


Thanks for not attacking me with insults and epithets, Brian. As you
were kind enough to post the Snopes article, would you indulge my
commentary on the article and Barbara Mikkelson's analysis?

My comments will appear in [brackets].

Begin Snopes article:

<quote>

_______________________________________

Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secret tax
to the Jews.

[First, Mikkelson is starting with a false premise: That the fees paid
to the Kashrus (Kosher Certification) agencies, and the costs incurred
by the companies in fulfilling the demands placed on them by the
Kashrus agencies is a "tax". It is true that many ignorant and/or
overzealous persons have incorrectly used the word "tax" to
describe this financial burden, which is ultimately born by *all*
consumers of the affected products, but the term is inaccurate, and
defenders of the Kosher Kabal try valiantly to use this error to
pooh-pooh the entire scheme]

Status: False.

[Remove the word "tax" form the false premise, and you can replace
Mikkelson's "false" with "true".]

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]

[It should be noted that Mikkelson was obviously careful to select an
article that was written by persons who are ignorant on the subject,
and have no credibility. Aztlan? Oh please!]

[<begin article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]


The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer

By Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last
week we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the
small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on
many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The
message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research into
the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both
shocked and angered us.

On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the
(U) or (K) mark on them.

[All true]

We needed a little more verification so we called two major
companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that
markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the
Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as
well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their
packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about
their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what
the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than
asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and whether
it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other
questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
products.

[Of course I can't verify the phone conversations, but all of the
above appears to be factual. Indeed, companies are *very* tight lipped
when it comes to their Kosher certification processes. I suspect that
this is because of non-disclosure agreements they were required to sign
when they entered contractual agreements with the Kashrus agencies.]

What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
receive protection.

[While I take exception to the words "tax" and "protection",
the above statement is fairly accurate, though I have never found a
reliable source citing the dollar amounts involved.]

This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
the products.

[Actually, the "tax" gets passed on to *all* consumers of the
products, but as non-Jews outnumber Jews at a ratio of 49 to 1, you can
guess who bears the bulk of the cost.]

The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
consequences of a Jewish boycott.

[I have seen no evidence to support the above statement, and believe
that it is false. However, Jews are by far the most powerful wealthy
and minority in the US, and there is no doubt that the captains of the
foods industries are well aware of the power and influence Jews have in
the areas of finance, advertising, media, etc. In other words, they
would not need a "boycott' to make big trouble for any one of these
companies if they so desired.]

Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does
not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.

[This is true, although only a tiny fraction of the Jewish population
(less than one million in the US) actually "Keeps Kosher",
eschewing all non-Kosher products.]

Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the perpetrators
of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually Rabbinical Councils
that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other western countries as
well. For example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run by
those who license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection
for many products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This
symbol is managed by the The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations
with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue in New York City.


[Quibbling over their choice of words aside, all of the above is true]

The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.

[Again, all true.]

The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
boycott by every Jew in America.

[I doubt the above. Rather, I believe that the Kashrus agencies rely on
their ability to misrepresent the potential increase in market share
that "going Kosher" will afford the prospective "client". There
is ample evidence to support this. Also, as Jews are the worlds most
famous (and potentially dangerous) "Victim Class", they have a
great advantage in the form of "guilt leverage". On can imagine
that any manufacturer who resists the advances of the Kashrus agencies
is met with "What's the matter? Do you have something against
Jews?" The fear of being accused of "anti-Semitism" is not
unfounded, is it?]

Most, if not all of the food companies, succumb to the blackmail
because of fear of the Jewish dominated media and a boycott that may
eventually culminate in bankruptcy.

[This may be exaggerated, but is it that far-fetched? Worldwide Jewry
led an international boycott against the nation of Germany that began
in 1933. The boycott hurt German industry and its people greatly, and
was largely responsible for the tensions that set the stage for WWII.]

Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed on to the
consumer anyway.

[They certainly can - and they are. And +- 98% of all of these costs
are born by non-Jewish consumers - the vast majority of which have *no*
interest in Kosher, or are even aware that the scheme exists.]

The food companies have kept secret from the general consumer the
meaning of the (U) and the amount of money they have to pay the Jewish
Rabbis.

[As I mentioned earlier, the companies are so tight-lipped WRT Kosher,
that one must assume that the secrecy is enforceable via contractual
agreement between the companies and the Kashrus agencies. Also, the
fees paid directly to the Kashrus agencies are likely relatively minor
when compared to the peripheral expenses that companies must endure in
order to comply with the demands placed on them by the Kashrus
agencies, which may include changing suppliers of raw materials, hiring
additional staff/ overtime, acquiring additional equipment or building
new facilities, implementing Kosher mandated downtime, redundant
procedures based solely on Jewish superstitions, or paying for the
full-time presence of one or more employees of the Kashrus agencies to
oversee the operations. A few million here, a few million there, and
pretty soon, you're talking about a serious amount of cash.]

It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations,
which manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of
the "Kosher Nostra "certification business. They now employ about 1200
Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S. Food companies must
first pay an exorbitant application fee and than a large annual fee for
the use of the (U) copyright symbol.

[A separate fee for each item, or barcode. $$$$]

Secondly, the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of
Rabbis shows up to "inspect" the company's operations. Certain food
companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very lucrative
salaries.

[All true]

The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food
companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
estimated to be in the billions since the scam first started.

[I have researched this topic in-depth, and considering that some 85%
of ALL packaged consumer products now bear a Kosher Seal, I estimate
the costs (fees plus expenses) to be billions of dollars *annually*,
especially when mark-ups are figured to the retail level]

The Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep the
amount of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal
wrote about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing
about it now.

Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer.

[I agree whoeheartedly]

Public education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish
boycott of all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection
symbols. I certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water",
"kosher coffee" or "kosher plastic sandwich bags".

[Indeed, the products mentioned above are by their very nature EXEMPT
from Kosher. They have a neutral status, and the fact that these types
of products ARE routinely found to be certified is a testament to the
greed, graft and corruption of the Kashrus (Kash-R-Us) industry.]

In fact, I demand my money back for all the money I had to pay over
the years for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright
attorneys out there that could bring a class action suit against the
Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of
Aztlan and other non-Jewish people?

[I have as much use for Aztlan as I do for the Kash-R-Us industry. Both
are fakes and frauds, and contrary to the best interests of the
citizens of the United States of America.]

__________________________________

[<end article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]

[<Begin Mikkelson's pathetic attempt at "debunking" the previous
article>]

Origins: Folks search for proofs of their darkest imaginings
everywhere, including on the shelves of grocery stores. Packages
bearing marks whose meanings aren't readily apparent to the average
shopper have been interpreted by those always on the sniff for a Jewish
conspiracy as signs that Big Business is in league with the Jews.

[As the Kosher system is administered solely by Jews, and as it works
solely for the *interests* of Jews (including the Kashrus agencies) it
is true that "Big Business is in league with the Jews", isn't it?
As to sniffing for a "Jewish conspiracy", it appears that this
qualifies, doesn't it?]

The rumor that the presence of those mysterious markings signifies that
the manufacturers of those products have paid a secret tax to the Jews
of America has been afoot for decades;

[Again, discounting the word "tax", this rumor is absolutely true,
isn't it?]

the e-mail quoted above is merely a recent manifestation of this
age-old canard.

["Age-old"? CANARD???]

The claim is wholly false, and we wonder at the twisted minds that
would advance such a slander. There is no "Jewish Secret Tax" and never
has been.

[The claim is NOT "wholly false", as she herself will acknowledge
below. Here Mikkelson uses the word "tax" in a pathetic semantic
attempt to pooh-pooh the entire Kashrus scheme, which has pervaded the
entire US foods industry like a fungus. Mikkelson is being dishonest,
and she KNOWS it.]

The markings pointed to in the rumor are real; however, their purpose
is entirely different from the one asserted by the rumormongers.

[Is it?]

They do not signal that a secret tax has been paid or that corporations
have succumbed to blackmail;

[No, they signal that secretive *fees* have been paid, and that the
corporation have either been duped or pressured into playing along with
the Kash-R-Us scam, 98% of the costs of which will be born by unwitting
non-Jewish consumers.]

they are there to indicate to members of a particular faith that such
items have been vetted as having met the strictures their religion
imposes. (If the notion of a religion imposing dietary requirements
upon its followers sounds like an outlandish proposition, keep in mind
that only in recent times have Catholics taken to eating meat on
Fridays, and that Muslims still eschew pork.)

[This would all be good and well if the members of that "particular
faith" (Jews) were footing the bill for their OWN queer eating
habits, but they're not, non-Jews are, and the Kash-R-Us agencies are
reaping fortunes in the process. No one subsidized the Catholic's
abstention from meat on Fridays, and no one subsidizes the Muslims
abstention from pork, do they?]

As to what those markings mean:

* The letter "K" simply means "Kosher." Kosher, in Hebrew, means
fit or proper, and is generally used to describe foods that are
prepared in accordance with special Jewish dietary laws. These laws are
stringent and almost incomprehensible to those not versed in them.

[I am well versed in these "laws", and they are nothing more than
primitive religious superstitions. They are based on a handful of
relatively simple commandments given in the Old Testament/ Torah which
have been extrapolated to ludicrous extremes by subsequent Jewish
"sages". Don't let Mikkelson fool you, you are PAYING so that
Kosher Keeping Jews can have the privilege of eating Kosher from a Can
- and *cheaply*.]

* The small "u" in a circle or ("OU") stands for the Union of
Orthodox Jewish Congregations and shows that the food underwent
rabbinical supervision in its preparation. (An "OUD" marking shows that
the package contains dairy products, while an "OUM" indicates the
presence of meat.)

[All true]

* "Parve" (also "pareve") is Yiddish for "neutral." The presence of
this word on packaging signifies that the contents of the package
contain neither milk nor meat and thus can be combined with other
ingredients in recipes. (Jewish dietary law forbids the mixing of meat
and dairy, thus a packaged food that contained cheese could not be
combined with, say, hamburger.)

[This is misleading, in that Kashrus (Kosher "laws') doesn't
count eggs or fish as "meat", so pareve products might contain
either, and may mislead vegetarians, who the Kash-R-Us agencies proudly
tout as "Kosher Consumers". Also, even the slightest trace of any
meat or dairy product or any derivative thereof will be enough to
render a product "non-Kosher". The Kashrus superstitions even
believe that the "flavor" of a product can pass through solid
stainless steel, and be passed on to the steam from a boiler system
that heats commercial cooking kettles, "contaminating" other
products on the same system, and rendering them non-Kosher. Such are
the wacky superstitions of Kosher.]

This variety of markings used on packaged foods alert consumers that
items contained therein either meet the strict dietary constraints
imposed by Judaism on its followers or that the contents of the package
can be mixed with other foods or can touch them.

["Touch them" is a key phrase here.]

Not all Jews keep kosher, nor even among those who do are the
strictures always adhered to rigorously, but those determined upon
being truly pious are aided in this endeavor by the presence of those
markings.

[Yes, and guess who foots the bill to make it easy and cheap for these
Jews to remain "pious"? The non-Jewish consumer. It's a welfare
system for the world's most powerful and WEALTHY minority.]

[Pay close attention to the following paragraph.]

The devout go so far as to maintain two separate sets of utensils,
cookware, and cutting surfaces so that meat and dairy never encounter
one another in their kitchens. It is for their benefit that otherwise
puzzling kosher certifications on non-foodstuff items are there

["Two separate sets of utensils, cookware, and cutting surfaces".
Please understand that these same restrictions are placed on INDUSTRIAL
COMPANIES manufacturing food products that are to be Kosher Certified.
Now you may begin to understand the extraneous expenses that companies
must endure in order to adhere to the restrictions placed on them by
the Kosher Kabal. Equipment that processes a product containing 1/10 of
1% of some obscure milk derivative may NOT be used to process any
product that would be certified as "dairy-free", or that might
contain 1/10 of 1% of some meat derivative. Thus, the equipment must be
doubled, or undergo a ritualistic and impractical "Kosher Cleaning"
between batches - and Kashrus rules often necessitate a "downtime"
of at least 24 hours to effectuate said rituals. This can all become
VERY expensive VERY quickly, and guess who foots the bill?]

(e.g., certifications are placed upon dishwashing liquid because dishes
used for dairy cannot be washed using a soap made from animal fats).

[As an inedible product, dishwashing liquid has NO BUSINESS being
Kosher Certified. More greed, graft and corruption.]

Less observant Jews do not bother themselves overly much about the
kosherness of everyday items; they avoid the out-and-out no-nos such as
pork and shellfish but don't lose much sleep over the animal fat
content of their washing-up liquid, nor do they fret that cold cuts
might now be resting upon a plate that had months earlier been used to
serve cheese.

[You can rest assured that the companies overseen by the Kash-R-Us
agencies enjoy NO such leniencies. Kashrus law is enforced *to the
letter, jot and tittle*, and should it be discovered that a batch of
goodies somehow violated some obscure superstitious technicality and
escaped the plant unnoticed, what do you suppose happens? KOSHER RECALL
from the store shelves. Very expensive indeed. And once again, who
foots the bill?]

The proponents of the "Jewish Secret Tax" slander often assert that a
sub rosa Jewish cabal forces large companies to comply via the threat
of a nationwide boycott, backed by the underlying presumption that all
Jews can be marshalled into turning their backs on products that fail
to display kosher certification marks.

[Note the use (again) of the "tax" verbiage. The above is a red
herring argument. This notwithstanding, Jews are arguably the most
ethnocentric and cohesive group in the world, and are infamous for
working together to achieve any goal that is perceived as being "good
for the Jews", regardless of its ramifications on their neighbors, or
on society as a whole. Jews are known to act as a unit to promote their
goals, and when these goals are contrary to the common good of larger
society, their actions *must* be countered in a similar fashion.]

That is not the case - Jews buy and use non-kosher items too, so
although lack of kosher certification keeps the ultra-conservative
crowd from buying certain products, it doesn't prevent the less
stringent from making such purchases, nor would a "don't buy that
because it's not kosher" directive have much effect even if there were
a secret Jewish cabal to issue it.

[The above is largely irrelevant, as some 85% of all packaged consumer
goods now bear the Kosher Seal. Going Kosher may have been profitable
for some mainstream companies at one time, but due to market saturation
(too many fishermen and too few fish), few companies marketing
mainstream products likely actually break even on their substantial
investments . Kosher, on the whole is a LOSS to American business and
the Gentile consumer. It is a Jewish welfare system that must be
exposed and dismantled. Making products "fit for Jewish
consumption" is an arduous and VERY expensive proposition. Let the
Jews pay for their own quirky eating habits - or let them eat cake.]

Those seeking kosher certification for their products have to adhere to
kosher practices through the manufacturing process,

[See my comments on the use of separate equipment, surfaces, etc.
above. It should be noted that these "practices" (which can be very
expensive and time-consuming) have little or nothing to do with
cleanliness or hygiene per se, rather, they are concerned with
fulfilling the obligations placed on them by the ancient, arcane (and
often downright goofy) Jewish religious superstitious.]

use only kosher ingredients,

[Indeed, each and every ingredients supplier must be Kosher Certified
as well, so when a major company "Goes Kosher" ALL of their
supplier must follow suit, otherwise they will lose the account. Kosher
coercion?]

and have their facilities regularly vetted by qualified inspectors.
Kosher certification companies do charge for this service, which is the
backbone of the "secret tax" claim - it costs money to obtain and
maintain kosher certification, thus this is an extra expense a
manufacturer must bear if he's determined upon having that
certification.

[So far, Ms. Mikkelson/ Snopes hasn't really "debunked"
anything, has she?]

Where the rumor and reality part ways, however, is where the money
goes. Fees paid to kosher certification companies go to keeping those
businesses afloat with the profits siphoned off by those companies'
owners; they do not flow off into some special Jewish fund used to
advance Zionist causes.

<Begin Waldo Comment>

Here it is hard to say whether Mikkelson is ignorant or simply lying.
The Orthodox Union (OU), which is the largest Kash-R-Us agency, owning
85-90% of all US business, is a virtual money machine and OPENLY
supports the "Zionist causes" that Miklkelson denies. I quote from
the OU Website:

"Because of the Orthodox Union, 500 children and adults participate
yearly in the Joseph K. Miller Torah Center, which serves Kharkov and
eighteen other communities in the Ukraine. It provides an environment
that revitalizes Jewish commitment and reinforces Zionist values."

http://www.ou.org/community_services/kharkov

I could cite numerous other examples, but let's just say that Snopes
has just been *debunked*.

<End Waldo Comment - resume Snopes article>

These are businesses, not charities,

[See above.]

and those who run them do so with every expectation of making a living,
in the same manner that someone who owns a hardware store does so with
the notion of making enough from the endeavor to support himself and
his family.

[You can rest assured that these "businesses" (I think a more
accurate term would be "rackets") make their owners a VERY nice
living indeed. Remember, they are Jews working SOLELY for their own
interests and those of their fellow Jews, but nearly all of the monies
that flow into their coffers come not from the pockets of Jews, but
from non-Jews. They have turned the unwitting Gentile public into their
personal Kash Kow. Clever, don't you think?]

Does certification add to the price of a product? Certainly,

[Kudos to Mikkelson for making that admission - which most Jewish
apologists vehemently deny.]

but the amount is miniscule, especially compared to the advertising,
packaging, shipping, research, testing, admin and finance-related
costs, and a myriad of other components that contribute to the process
of bringing a product to market or making it better appeal to
consumers.

[Here Mikkleson has gone off the deep end. "The amount is
minuscule"? The same could be said for the costs of shoplifting,
embezzlement, insurance fraud, etc. Will Mikkelson defend these as she
defends the Kosher Kabal? If these Kosher Bandits can separate every
American from only ONE PENNY per day, they're raking in over a
billion dollars per year - and considering that 85% of the products in
the 500 billion dollar US foods industry is under "Kosher
Supervision", this figure is not far fetched in the least.]

One might as well rail against the costs associated with selecting the
ink colors and style of lettering used on a package - it's all
legitimate business expense, even though no one ever rails against the
"Secret Red Ink Conspiracy" or rants about the "Helvetica Font Tax."

[Sorry Ms. Mikelsson, but there is no tiny ethnic Cabal working to
manipulate "ink colors and style of lettering used on a package" to
the advantage of themselves and the members of their Tribe - and at the
expense of all non-members.]

________________________________

<End of Snopes article>

http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm

So the misleading/misinformed Snopes article has managed to
"debunk" *one* thing, the inappropriate use of the word "tax".
The Kosher Kabal has indeed taken the unwitting Gentile public for a
ride. They have made themselves fabulously wealthy, support Zionist
causes, and made it possible for 1/3 of 1% of the US population to eat
Kosher from a can - 98% of the cost of which is born by Gentile
consumers - most of which have no clue as to what the word "Kosher"
really means.

A common response from apologists is "if you don't like it, don't
buy Kosher Certified products", but this is virtually impossible, as
85% of all packaged foods products are now Kosher Certified, and the
Kabal has so pervaded the industry that even those end products that
are *not* certified will almost certainly contain *ingredients* that
are (salt, sugar, flour, oils, etc), so no matter how carefully you
shop, a portion of your money will STILL go to the Jewish Welfare
System.

Mikkelson and others try to defend the scheme by implying that the
amount everyone pays is so minuscule that complaining about it would be
petty. If that be the case then the Jews should have no problem digging
into their own pockets to fund their quirky eating habits, should they?


Does the non-Jewish public somehow "owe" Jews a "free lunch"?

**

Waldo

Observer at Large

"Waldo" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Brian Huntley wrote:
>> (Cross-postings removed)
>
> Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> seeing this Snopes article answered.
>
>> Waldo wrote:
>> > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms
>> > to
>> > Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach
>> > above, that
>> > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that
>> > are
>> > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating
>> > gullible
>> > Gentiles from their money.
>>
>> I doubt I can change your mind, but for the edification of others,
>> here's the Snopes page about this:
>> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm
>
>
> Thanks for not attacking me with insults and epithets, Brian. As you
> were kind enough to post the Snopes article, would you indulge my
> commentary on the article and Barbara Mikkelson's analysis?
>
> My comments will appear in [brackets].
>
> Begin Snopes article:
>
> <quote>
>
> _______________________________________
>
> Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secret
> tax
> to the Jews.
>
> [First, Mikkelson is starting with a false premise: That the fees
> paid
> to the Kashrus (Kosher Certification) agencies, and the costs
> incurred
> by the companies in fulfilling the demands placed on them by the
> Kashrus agencies is a "tax". It is true that many ignorant and/or
> overzealous persons have incorrectly used the word "tax" to
> describe this financial burden, which is ultimately born by *all*
> consumers of the affected products, but the term is inaccurate, and
> defenders of the Kosher Kabal try valiantly to use this error to
> pooh-pooh the entire scheme]

In fact calling Kosher certification a tax is exactly what Jew haters
like Waldo do. Its prejudicial and inaccurate usage is emblematic of
all the arguments people like Waldope use, when the only motivation
they truly have is their Jew hatred. Waldope himself once tried to
defend using the term "tax" by citing a minor dictionary definition
for the word.

Since it is so widely used by these fringe types, it is perfectly
understandable and proper that it should be addressed first in
rebutting their nonsense.

> Status: False.
>
> [Remove the word "tax" form the false premise, and you can replace
> Mikkelson's "false" with "true".]

This is what passes for serious argument in Waldope's world.

On the other hand, simply removing the word "tax" renders the sentence
meaningless.

> Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]
>
> [It should be noted that Mikkelson was obviously careful to select
> an
> article that was written by persons who are ignorant on the subject,
> and have no credibility. Aztlan? Oh please!]

Waldope likes to think his ignorance on the subject is special!
>
> [<begin article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]
>
>
> The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>
> By Ernesto Cienfuegos
> La Voz de Aztlan
>
> Los Angeles, Alta California - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and
> readers.
> Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last
> week we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of
> the
> small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed
> on
> many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The
> message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research
> into
> the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both
> shocked and angered us.
>
> On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
> verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
> most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
> similar
> markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee,
> the
> Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the
> Trader
> Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had
> the
> (U) or (K) mark on them.
>
> [All true]

Gee, no kidding!

> We needed a little more verification so we called two major
> companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that
> markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures
> the
> Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as
> well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their
> packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about
> their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative
> what
> the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to
> wait
> until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed
> us
> that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than
> asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
> whether
> it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other
> questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
> Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask
> what
> the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags
> and
> she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
> but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
> Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on
> their
> products.
>
> [Of course I can't verify the phone conversations, but all of the
> above appears to be factual. Indeed, companies are *very* tight
> lipped
> when it comes to their Kosher certification processes. ]

No more so than they are about a myriad of fees they pay to many other
companies for services rendered.

>I suspect that
> this is because of non-disclosure agreements they were required to
> sign
> when they entered contractual agreements with the Kashrus agencies.]

Many of them are also well aware of the fringe nutjobs and their Jew
hating agendas. They have better things to do than waste time on them.

> What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I
> learned
> that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish
> Tax
> amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
> receive protection.
>
> [While I take exception to the words "tax" and "protection",
> the above statement is fairly accurate, though I have never found a
> reliable source citing the dollar amounts involved.]

So the number is wrong, it isn't a tax and protection is not part of
the arrangement, but otherwise Waldope thinks the statement is
accurate!!

Such is the delusional nature of Jew hating conspiracists.

> This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers
> of
> the products.

> [Actually, the "tax" gets passed on to *all* consumers of the
> products, but as non-Jews outnumber Jews at a ratio of 49 to 1, you
> can
> guess who bears the bulk of the cost.]

All costs get passed to consumers and Waldope knows quite well that
Jews are not the only purchasers of Kosher food.

> The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> consequences of a Jewish boycott.

> [I have seen no evidence to support the above statement, ]

Of course there is no evidence to support Waldope's claims either, but
then he is protective of his own falsehoods.

[and believe
> that it is false. However, Jews are by far the most powerful wealthy
> and minority in the US, and there is no doubt that the captains of
> the
> foods industries are well aware of the power and influence Jews have
> in
> the areas of finance, advertising, media, etc. In other words, they
> would not need a "boycott' to make big trouble for any one of these
> companies if they so desired.]

Businesses do not share Waldope's paranoia about Jews and seek Kosher
certification because they believe it will help their business.

> Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that
> does
> not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.
>
> [This is true, although only a tiny fraction of the Jewish
> population
> (less than one million in the US) actually "Keeps Kosher",
> eschewing all non-Kosher products.]

Therefore, it is not true.

> Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
> sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
> perpetrators
> of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually Rabbinical
> Councils
> that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other western countries
> as
> well. For example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run
> by
> those who license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection
> for many products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This
> symbol is managed by the The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations
> with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue in New York City.

> [Quibbling over their choice of words aside, all of the above is
> true]

In other words, Waldope doesn't differ too much from these nutjobs!

> The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating
> vast
> amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
> Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
> Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
> full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.

> [Again, all true.]

Then Waldope will have no trouble telling us what these vast amounts
are.

> The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox
> Rabbi
> approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
> certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
> boycott by every Jew in America.
>
> [I doubt the above. ]

Gee, but Waldope's not sure!

[Rather, I believe that the Kashrus agencies rely on
> their ability to misrepresent the potential increase in market share
> that "going Kosher" will afford the prospective "client". ]

But Waldope has no evidence they misrepresent anything.

[There
> is ample evidence to support this.]

Sure there is!

[Also, as Jews are the worlds most
> famous (and potentially dangerous) "Victim Class", they have a
> great advantage in the form of "guilt leverage". On can imagine
> that any manufacturer who resists the advances of the Kashrus
> agencies
> is met with "What's the matter? Do you have something against
> Jews?" The fear of being accused of "anti-Semitism" is not
> unfounded, is it?]

Of course. More of the fact based argument which so distinguishes
Waldope's conspiracy theory from the other conspiracy nuts he calls
"ignorant".

> Most, if not all of the food companies, succumb to the blackmail
> because of fear of the Jewish dominated media and a boycott that may
> eventually culminate in bankruptcy.
>
> [This may be exaggerated, but is it that far-fetched? Worldwide
> Jewry
> led an international boycott against the nation of Germany that
> began
> in 1933. The boycott hurt German industry and its people greatly,
> and
> was largely responsible for the tensions that set the stage for
> WWII.]

There was no worldwide Jewish boycott, nor even a unanamous Jewish
support for a boycott. This is historically ignorant, but it fits with
Waldope's nutty world view.

> Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed on to the
> consumer anyway.

> [They certainly can - and they are. And +- 98% of all of these costs
> are born by non-Jewish consumers - the vast majority of which have
> *no*
> interest in Kosher, or are even aware that the scheme exists.]

But since Jews are not the only people who buy Kosher products, this
piece of data is irrelevant. Futhermore, consumers pay lots of costs
which they might not like to pay for simply because the manufacturer
wants to incur the costs. The only difference with the small costs of
Kosher certification is that Jew haters want to have something to
bitch about.

> The food companies have kept secret from the general consumer the
> meaning of the (U) and the amount of money they have to pay the
> Jewish
> Rabbis.

> [As I mentioned earlier, the companies are so tight-lipped WRT
> Kosher,
> that one must assume that the secrecy is enforceable via contractual
> agreement between the companies and the Kashrus agencies. ]

They are so secret about it they put a well known symbol on their
packaging!

[Also, the
> fees paid directly to the Kashrus agencies are likely relatively
> minor
> when compared to the peripheral expenses that companies must endure
> in
> order to comply with the demands placed on them by the Kashrus
> agencies, which may include changing suppliers of raw materials,
> hiring
> additional staff/ overtime, acquiring additional equipment or
> building
> new facilities, implementing Kosher mandated downtime, redundant
> procedures based solely on Jewish superstitions, or paying for the
> full-time presence of one or more employees of the Kashrus agencies
> to
> oversee the operations. ]

Just words. There is no substantial cost with virtually any of these
for the vast majority of products. And what costs are involved are
unknown to Waldope, but known in detail by the companies who assess
the advantages they might gain by Kosher certification. And unlike
Waldope, these professional business people, thousands of them in
hundreds of companies, are quite well able to judge the benefits of
all costs they incur.

>[A few million here, a few million there, and
> pretty soon, you're talking about a serious amount of cash.]

But Waldope doesn't have a clue how much he's talking about. What does
that tell you about his argument?

> It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations,
> which manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85%
> of
> the "Kosher Nostra "certification business. They now employ about
> 1200
> Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S. Food companies
> must
> first pay an exorbitant application fee and than a large annual fee
> for
> the use of the (U) copyright symbol.

> [A separate fee for each item, or barcode. $$$$]

How much?

> Secondly, the companies must pay separate fees each time a team
> of
> Rabbis shows up to "inspect" the company's operations. Certain food
> companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very lucrative
> salaries.

> [All true]

A tiny fraction require full time inspectors, and most products are
easily certified. True, perhaps, but not accurate.

> The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the
> food
> companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
> estimated to be in the billions since the scam first started.
>
> [I have researched this topic in-depth, and considering that some
> 85%
> of ALL packaged consumer products now bear a Kosher Seal, I estimate
> the costs (fees plus expenses) to be billions of dollars
> *annually*,
> especially when mark-ups are figured to the retail level]

In other words, the Jew hater doesn't have a clue how much it costs,
for even one company, let alone the entire food industry.

> The Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep
> the
> amount of the fees very secret.The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal
> wrote about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped
> writing
> about it now.
>
> Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
> eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer.

> [I agree whoeheartedly]

Of course the Wall Street Journal is not Jewish owned. And none of the
dozens of industries or thousands of companies who provide services to
other companies publically discuss their fees. This only becomes
sinister when we're talking about Jew haters and Kosher certification.

> Public education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish
> boycott of all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection
> symbols. I certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water",
> "kosher coffee" or "kosher plastic sandwich bags".
>
> [Indeed, the products mentioned above are by their very nature
> EXEMPT
> from Kosher. They have a neutral status, and the fact that these
> types
> of products ARE routinely found to be certified is a testament to
> the
> greed, graft and corruption of the Kashrus (Kash-R-Us) industry.]

They require certification if the manufacturer wants to sell Kosher
products. And if the products are "exempt", the cost to certify would
be practically nothing. In any event, it's the manufacturer's
decision.

> In fact, I demand my money back for all the money I had to pay
> over
> the years for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any
> bright
> attorneys out there that could bring a class action suit against the
> Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of
> Aztlan and other non-Jewish people?
>
> [I have as much use for Aztlan as I do for the Kash-R-Us industry.
> Both
> are fakes and frauds, and contrary to the best interests of the
> citizens of the United States of America.]

Just about how normal people feel about Waldope.

__________________________________
>
> [<end article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]
>
> [<Begin Mikkelson's pathetic attempt at "debunking" the previous
> article>]
>
> Origins: Folks search for proofs of their darkest imaginings
> everywhere, including on the shelves of grocery stores. Packages
> bearing marks whose meanings aren't readily apparent to the average
> shopper have been interpreted by those always on the sniff for a
> Jewish
> conspiracy as signs that Big Business is in league with the Jews.
>
> [As the Kosher system is administered solely by Jews, and as it
> works
> solely for the *interests* of Jews (including the Kashrus agencies)
> it
> is true that "Big Business is in league with the Jews", isn't it?
> As to sniffing for a "Jewish conspiracy", it appears that this
> qualifies, doesn't it?]

Obviously it doesn't work soley in the interests of Jews, but works in
the interests of food manufacturers. That's why they seek the
certification. The only thing Waldope smells is his own BO.

More of Waldope's "less ignorant" argument.

> The rumor that the presence of those mysterious markings signifies
> that
> the manufacturers of those products have paid a secret tax to the
> Jews
> of America has been afoot for decades;
>
> [Again, discounting the word "tax", this rumor is absolutely true,
> isn't it?]

Removing the key word of course renders the statement meaningless.

> the e-mail quoted above is merely a recent manifestation of this
> age-old canard.
>
> ["Age-old"? CANARD???]
>
> The claim is wholly false, and we wonder at the twisted minds that
> would advance such a slander. There is no "Jewish Secret Tax" and
> never
> has been.
>
> [The claim is NOT "wholly false", as she herself will acknowledge
> below. Here Mikkelson uses the word "tax" in a pathetic semantic
> attempt to pooh-pooh the entire Kashrus scheme, which has pervaded
> the
> entire US foods industry like a fungus. Mikkelson is being
> dishonest,
> and she KNOWS it.]

Nothing she said is dishonest, as Waldope's inability to point to what
was clearly demonstrates.

> The markings pointed to in the rumor are real; however, their
> purpose
> is entirely different from the one asserted by the rumormongers.
>
> [Is it?]
>
> They do not signal that a secret tax has been paid or that
> corporations
> have succumbed to blackmail;
>
> [No, they signal that secretive *fees* have been paid, and that the
> corporation have either been duped or pressured into playing along
> with
> the Kash-R-Us scam, 98% of the costs of which will be born by
> unwitting
> non-Jewish consumers.]

No, they indicate that the product is Kosher.

Notice how the halfwit above called the whole thing secret and now
wants to claim the symbol signals "fees". How does it do that if it is
secret?

> [they are there to indicate to members of a particular faith that
> such
> items have been vetted as having met the strictures their religion
> imposes. ]

No they are there to indicate to those who wish Kosher food, the
purchasers of which happen to be more non Jewish, that the product in
question is Kosher.

>If the notion of a religion imposing dietary requirements
> upon its followers sounds like an outlandish proposition, keep in
> mind
> that only in recent times have Catholics taken to eating meat on
> Fridays, and that Muslims still eschew pork.)
>
> [This would all be good and well if the members of that "particular
> faith" (Jews) were footing the bill for their OWN queer eating
> habits, but they're not, non-Jews are, and the Kash-R-Us agencies
> are
> reaping fortunes in the process. No one subsidized the Catholic's
> abstention from meat on Fridays, and no one subsidizes the Muslims
> abstention from pork, do they?]

Again, it is the manufacturers who decide who foots what bills, and
what charges it wishes to incur in making its products. I don't know
anyone who wouldn't like less sodium in their canned goods, but
manufacturers believe they are better off filling their products with
unhealthy ingredients.

> As to what those markings mean:
>
> * The letter "K" simply means "Kosher." Kosher, in Hebrew, means
> fit or proper, and is generally used to describe foods that are
> prepared in accordance with special Jewish dietary laws. These laws
> are
> stringent and almost incomprehensible to those not versed in them.
>
> [I am well versed in these "laws", and they are nothing more than
> primitive religious superstitions. ]

We've seen how "well versed" Waldope is.

What they signify to the consumer varies, and what they signify to the
manufacturers is a benefit to their businesses. What Jew haters like
Waldope think of the religious aspects of Kosher foods is entirely
irrelevant.

I don't think you need to read much more to see that all Waldope has
is what every Jew hater has: his hatred.

He knows nothing about the costs of Kosher certification, and he
pretends that businessmen who are paid to make money are too stupid to
not be hoodwinked, while little ole Waldope has some special insight
into the nefarious and devious methods of Jews.

If that sounds like a kook to you, it is.

--
Philip Mathews

Waldo wrote:
> Brian Huntley wrote:
> > (Cross-postings removed)
>
> Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> seeing this Snopes article answered.
>
> > Waldo wrote:
> > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > Jewish Religious Superstition


Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
evidence. Judaism and Christianity are faith. Where is the scientific
proof that Jews are wrong in their beliefs or that there is no god?


- or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > Gentiles from their money.



WOW! You mean those little old Rabbis are able to hoodwink executives
at Kraft Foods,probably the best businessmen in the world at one of the
largest and most profitable corporations in the world? And they can do
this after spending their entire lives
studying the Torah and the Ten Commandments, moral codes which forbid
any sort of dishonesty? And they can do this merely because they are
Jews?

If they are such capable criminals, I wonder why they spent years
studying to be Rabbis?
If what you are saying is true, they could have conned their way into
millions of dollars and retired at age 40. Yet, here they are old men
who spend their days studying and teaching scripture. If they are
criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?
Surely the District Attorney of New York County would not let this
escape his notice.

"Joe Bruno" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Waldo wrote:
>> Brian Huntley wrote:
>> > (Cross-postings removed)
>>
>> Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
>> seeing this Snopes article answered.
>>
>> > Waldo wrote:
>> > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
>> > > Jewish Religious Superstition
>
>
> Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
> evidence.

Tell that to the shoah industry, b'runo, you dull ****.

On 20-Oct-2006, "Joe Bruno" > wrote:

> Waldo wrote:
> > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > (Cross-postings removed)
> >
> > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> >
> > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > Jewish Religious Superstition
>
>
> Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
> evidence. Judaism and Christianity are faith. Where is the scientific
> proof that Jews are wrong in their beliefs or that there is no god?

While there is no proof of the existence of G-d, there is also no proof
of any conspiracy such as the hatemonger describes.
And no, this comment isn't directed at you so much as the reading public.
>
>
> - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > Gentiles from their money.
>
>
>
> WOW! You mean those little old Rabbis are able to hoodwink executives
> at Kraft Foods,probably the best businessmen in the world at one of the
> largest and most profitable corporations in the world? And they can do
> this after spending their entire lives
> studying the Torah and the Ten Commandments, moral codes which forbid
> any sort of dishonesty? And they can do this merely because they are
> Jews?

This is the crux of the bigots' arguments: "We are the master race because
Jews can outwit even the smartest of us." It would be hysterically funny if
they weren't so deadly serious.

>
> If they are such capable criminals, I wonder why they spent years
> studying to be Rabbis?
> If what you are saying is true, they could have conned their way into
> millions of dollars and retired at age 40. Yet, here they are old men
> who spend their days studying and teaching scripture. If they are
> criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?
> Surely the District Attorney of New York County would not let this
> escape his notice.

I say Waldo should conteact them. Immediately.
After all, if what he has to say is true, and he can prove it, he'd be a
HERO!!

Susan

> wrote in message news:vg9_g.77$GJ.43@trnddc07...
>
> On 20-Oct-2006, "Joe Bruno" > wrote:
>
>> Waldo wrote:
>> > Brian Huntley wrote:
>> > > (Cross-postings removed)
>> >
>> > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
>> > seeing this Snopes article answered.
>> >
>> > > Waldo wrote:
>> > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
>> > > > Jewish Religious Superstition
>>
>>
>> Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
>> evidence. Judaism and Christianity are faith. Where is the scientific
>> proof that Jews are wrong in their beliefs or that there is no god?
>
> While there is no proof of the existence of G-d, there is also no proof
> of any conspiracy such as the hatemonger describes.
> And no, this comment isn't directed at you so much as the reading public.
>>
>>
>> - or as in the case of bleach above, that
>> > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
>> > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
>> > > > Gentiles from their money.
>>
>>
>>
>> WOW! You mean those little old Rabbis are able to hoodwink executives
>> at Kraft Foods,probably the best businessmen in the world at one of the
>> largest and most profitable corporations in the world? And they can do
>> this after spending their entire lives
>> studying the Torah and the Ten Commandments, moral codes which forbid
>> any sort of dishonesty? And they can do this merely because they are
>> Jews?
>
> This is the crux of the bigots' arguments: "We are the master race because
> Jews can outwit even the smartest of us." It would be hysterically funny
> if
> they weren't so deadly serious.
>
>>
>> If they are such capable criminals, I wonder why they spent years
>> studying to be Rabbis?
>> If what you are saying is true, they could have conned their way into
>> millions of dollars and retired at age 40. Yet, here they are old men
>> who spend their days studying and teaching scripture. If they are
>> criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?
>> Surely the District Attorney of New York County would not let this
>> escape his notice.
>
> I say Waldo should conteact them. Immediately.
> After all, if what he has to say is true, and he can prove it, he'd be a
> HERO!!

"Conteact"? Another "typo", you thick Irish ****.

wrote:
> On 20-Oct-2006, "Joe Bruno" > wrote:
>
> > Waldo wrote:
> > > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > > (Cross-postings removed)
> > >
> > > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> > >
> > > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > > Jewish Religious Superstition
> >
> >
> > Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
> > evidence. Judaism and Christianity are faith. Where is the scientific
> > proof that Jews are wrong in their beliefs or that there is no god?
>
> While there is no proof of the existence of G-d,


Actually, there is. Whether you accept it as persuasive is another
matter.
Look at how complex the human body is, especially the brain, nervous
system, immune system, and endocrine system. It's hard for me to
believe anything that complex can come into being without some
extraordinary intelligence guiding the process.



there is also no proof
> of any conspiracy such as the hatemonger describes.
> And no, this comment isn't directed at you so much as the reading public.
> >
> >
> > - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > > Gentiles from their money.
> >
> >
> >
> > WOW! You mean those little old Rabbis are able to hoodwink executives
> > at Kraft Foods,probably the best businessmen in the world at one of the
> > largest and most profitable corporations in the world? And they can do
> > this after spending their entire lives
> > studying the Torah and the Ten Commandments, moral codes which forbid
> > any sort of dishonesty? And they can do this merely because they are
> > Jews?
>
> This is the crux of the bigots' arguments: "We are the master race because
> Jews can outwit even the smartest of us." It would be hysterically funny if
> they weren't so deadly serious.
>
> >
> > If they are such capable criminals, I wonder why they spent years
> > studying to be Rabbis?
> > If what you are saying is true, they could have conned their way into
> > millions of dollars and retired at age 40. Yet, here they are old men
> > who spend their days studying and teaching scripture. If they are
> > criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?
> > Surely the District Attorney of New York County would not let this
> > escape his notice.
>
> I say Waldo should conteact them. Immediately.
> After all, if what he has to say is true, and he can prove it, he'd be a
> HERO!!


If he actually went to the DA with this nonsense, they might have him
committed to the Funny farm.
>
> Susan

Joe Bruno wrote:
> Waldo wrote:
> > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > (Cross-postings removed)
> >
> > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> >
> > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > Jewish Religious Superstition
>
>
> Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
> evidence. Judaism and Christianity are faith. Where is the scientific
> proof that Jews are wrong in their beliefs or that there is no god?
>
>
> - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > Gentiles from their money.
>
>
>
> WOW! You mean those little old Rabbis are able to hoodwink executives
> at Kraft Foods,probably the best businessmen in the world at one of the
> largest and most profitable corporations in the world? And they can do
> this after spending their entire lives
> studying the Torah and the Ten Commandments, moral codes which forbid
> any sort of dishonesty? And they can do this merely because they are
> Jews?

So why do their concern themselves with what foodstuffs are kosher
and what are not in the markets that the majority of non-jews
purchase
their food in.
>
> If they are such capable criminals, I wonder why they spent years
> studying to be Rabbis?
> If what you are saying is true, they could have conned their way into
> millions of dollars and retired at age 40. Yet, here they are old men
> who spend their days studying and teaching scripture. If they are
> criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?
> Surely the District Attorney of New York County would not let this
> escape his notice.

Jew isn't he? Eliot Spitzer is a jew, is that who you mean? I'm
going
to check everything in my kitchen tomorrow to see if I can find where
the
kosher symbol is, especially the bleach.

wrote:
> Joe Bruno wrote:
> > Waldo wrote:
> > > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > > (Cross-postings removed)
> > >
> > > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> > >
> > > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > > Jewish Religious Superstition
> >
> >
> > Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
> > evidence. Judaism and Christianity are faith. Where is the scientific
> > proof that Jews are wrong in their beliefs or that there is no god?
> >
> >
> > - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > > Gentiles from their money.
> >
> >
> >
> > WOW! You mean those little old Rabbis are able to hoodwink executives
> > at Kraft Foods,probably the best businessmen in the world at one of the
> > largest and most profitable corporations in the world? And they can do
> > this after spending their entire lives
> > studying the Torah and the Ten Commandments, moral codes which forbid
> > any sort of dishonesty? And they can do this merely because they are
> > Jews?
>
> So why do their concern themselves with what foodstuffs are kosher
> and what are not in the markets that the majority of non-jews
> purchase
> their food in.

The food companies want to sell to the people who keep Kosher,
ignoramus.
> >
> > If they are such capable criminals, I wonder why they spent years
> > studying to be Rabbis?
> > If what you are saying is true, they could have conned their way into
> > millions of dollars and retired at age 40. Yet, here they are old men
> > who spend their days studying and teaching scripture. If they are
> > criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?
> > Surely the District Attorney of New York County would not let this
> > escape his notice.
>
> Jew isn't he? Eliot Spitzer is a jew, is that who you mean? I'm
> going
> to check everything in my kitchen tomorrow to see if I can find where
> the
> kosher symbol is, especially the bleach.

No. I meant that the DA of New York, whoever he is, would be interested
in prosecuting someone engaged in criminal activity.

I said just that right he

If they are
> > criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?



If they ever make a movie about a female retard, you should apply for
the part. You are Forrest Gump in a skirt.

Joe Bruno wrote:
> Waldo wrote:
> > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > (Cross-postings removed)
> >
> > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> >
> > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > Jewish Religious Superstition
>
>
> Superstition is an irrational belief that conflicts with scientific
> evidence.

Not necessarily.

> Judaism and Christianity are faith. Where is the scientific
> proof that Jews are wrong in their beliefs or that there is no god?

Who said there was no "god", "Joe-Liz"? My but your brain
makes amazing leaps to irrational assumptions, doesn't it? Do you
suppose this is genetic, or a "skill" that you've developed on
your own?

Anyway, now that you've broached the subject, what makes you think
that the Jew god is THE god?

> - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > Gentiles from their money.
>
>
>
> WOW! You mean those little old Rabbis are able to hoodwink executives
> at Kraft Foods,probably the best businessmen in the world at one of the
> largest and most profitable corporations in the world?

Don't sell the Rabbis short, "Joe-Liz".

> And they can do
> this after spending their entire lives
> studying the Torah and the Ten Commandments, moral codes which forbid
> any sort of dishonesty?

Only dishonesty against "thy neighbor", and their "neighbor" is
their fellow Jew. Others are fair game.

> And they can do this merely because they are
> Jews?

No, but they DO do this and they ARE Jews, aren't they?

> If they are such capable criminals, I wonder why they spent years
> studying to be Rabbis?

"Criminals"? There you go with you neuro-acrobatics again,
"Joe-Liz".

But are you implying that Rabbis cannot be criminals?

> If what you are saying is true, they could have conned their way into
> millions of dollars and retired at age 40.

Some folks are more ambitious than others.

> Yet, here they are old men
> who spend their days studying and teaching scripture.

No, these Rabbis spend their days working in their highly lucrative
Kash-R-Us agencies, Joe-Liz. Has your mind wandered from the topic?

> If they are
> criminals, why haven't the authorities prosecuted them?
> Surely the District Attorney of New York County would not let this
> escape his notice.

Actually, quite a few States (including New York) have actually spent
large amount of tax dollars helping the Rabbinical Racketeers ENFORCE
their religious superstitions.

**

Waldo

Observer at Large

Waldo wrote:
> Brian Huntley wrote:
> > (Cross-postings removed)
>
> Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> seeing this Snopes article answered.
>
> > Waldo wrote:
> > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > Gentiles from their money.
> >
> > I doubt I can change your mind, but for the edification of others,
> > here's the Snopes page about this:
> > http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm
>
>
> Thanks for not attacking me with insults and epithets, Brian. As you
> were kind enough to post the Snopes article, would you indulge my
> commentary on the article and Barbara Mikkelson's analysis?
>
> My comments will appear in [brackets].
>
> Begin Snopes article:
>
> <quote>
>
> _______________________________________
>
> Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secret tax
> to the Jews.
>
> [First, Mikkelson is starting with a false premise: That the fees paid
> to the Kashrus (Kosher Certification) agencies, and the costs incurred
> by the companies in fulfilling the demands placed on them by the
> Kashrus agencies is a "tax". It is true that many ignorant and/or
> overzealous persons have incorrectly used the word "tax" to
> describe this financial burden, which is ultimately born by *all*
> consumers of the affected products, but the term is inaccurate, and
> defenders of the Kosher Kabal try valiantly to use this error to
> pooh-pooh the entire scheme]
>
> Status: False.
>
> [Remove the word "tax" form the false premise, and you can replace
> Mikkelson's "false" with "true".]
>
> Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]
>
> [It should be noted that Mikkelson was obviously careful to select an
> article that was written by persons who are ignorant on the subject,
> and have no credibility. Aztlan? Oh please!]
>
> [<begin article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]
>
>
> The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>
> By Ernesto Cienfuegos
> La Voz de Aztlan
>
> Los Angeles, Alta California - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
> Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last
> week we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the
> small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on
> many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The
> message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research into
> the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both
> shocked and angered us.
>
> On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
> verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
> most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
> markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
> Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
> Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the
> (U) or (K) mark on them.
>
> [All true]
>
> We needed a little more verification so we called two major
> companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that
> markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the
> Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as
> well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their
> packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about
> their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what
> the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
> until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
> that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than
> asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and whether
> it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other
> questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
> Affairs Department.


What's wrong with that? You called the wrong department, fool. Public
affairs
is the ones who answer questions from the public. Only you would be
arrogant enough to tell a huge private corporation how to make policy
and run it's internal affairs.

It's none of your business, arrogant asshole.



We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
> the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
> she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
> but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
> Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
> products.

Financial info like that will be listed in the financial statements, if
they are required to report it by the SEC. If the SEC does not require
that be reported, they won't divulge it.
You don't understand that the financial affairs of a private
Corporation, beyond what the SEC requires to be reported, are none of
your business.

>
> [Of course I can't verify the phone conversations, but all of the
> above appears to be factual. Indeed, companies are *very* tight lipped
> when it comes to their Kosher certification processes. I suspect that
> this is because of non-disclosure agreements they were required to sign
> when they entered contractual agreements with the Kashrus agencies.]


Your suspicions are not evidence.
>
> What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
> that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
> amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
> receive protection.

It's not a tax if government doesn't impose it. A tax would affect all
of the brands, not just a few of them.
>
> [While I take exception to the words "tax" and "protection",
> the above statement is fairly accurate, though I have never found a
> reliable source citing the dollar amounts involved.]
>
> This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
> the products.

People who buy Kosher products compare prices just like those who don't
keep KOSHER
do.
>
> [Actually, the "tax" gets passed on to *all* consumers of the
> products, but as non-Jews outnumber Jews at a ratio of 49 to 1, you can
> guess who bears the bulk of the cost.]
>
> The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> consequences of a Jewish boycott.

BULLSHIT. Then how come there are companies like Von's, Albertson's,
Kroger and Springfield who don't sell any Kosher products? These are
HUGE companies.


>
> Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does
> not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.




Bullshit. I don't even look for those markings.
Nobody in olur family keeps Kosher and none of us look for them.

You're a ****ing liar.

Joe Bruno wrote:
> Waldo wrote:
> > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > (Cross-postings removed)
> >
> > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> >
> > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > Gentiles from their money.
> > >
> > > I doubt I can change your mind, but for the edification of others,
> > > here's the Snopes page about this:
> > > http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm
> >
> >
> > Thanks for not attacking me with insults and epithets, Brian. As you
> > were kind enough to post the Snopes article, would you indulge my
> > commentary on the article and Barbara Mikkelson's analysis?
> >
> > My comments will appear in [brackets].
> >
> > Begin Snopes article:
> >
> > <quote>
> >
> > _______________________________________
> >
> > Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> > grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secret tax
> > to the Jews.
> >
> > [First, Mikkelson is starting with a false premise: That the fees paid
> > to the Kashrus (Kosher Certification) agencies, and the costs incurred
> > by the companies in fulfilling the demands placed on them by the
> > Kashrus agencies is a "tax". It is true that many ignorant and/or
> > overzealous persons have incorrectly used the word "tax" to
> > describe this financial burden, which is ultimately born by *all*
> > consumers of the affected products, but the term is inaccurate, and
> > defenders of the Kosher Kabal try valiantly to use this error to
> > pooh-pooh the entire scheme]
> >
> > Status: False.
> >
> > [Remove the word "tax" form the false premise, and you can replace
> > Mikkelson's "false" with "true".]
> >
> > Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]
> >
> > [It should be noted that Mikkelson was obviously careful to select an
> > article that was written by persons who are ignorant on the subject,
> > and have no credibility. Aztlan? Oh please!]
> >
> > [<begin article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]
> >
> >
> > The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
> >
> > By Ernesto Cienfuegos
> > La Voz de Aztlan
> >
> > Los Angeles, Alta California - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> > quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
> > Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last
> > week we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the
> > small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on
> > many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The
> > message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research into
> > the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both
> > shocked and angered us.
> >
> > On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
> > verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
> > most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> > Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
> > markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
> > Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
> > Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the
> > (U) or (K) mark on them.
> >
> > [All true]
> >
> > We needed a little more verification so we called two major
> > companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that
> > markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the
> > Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as
> > well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their
> > packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about
> > their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what
> > the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
> > until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
> > that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than
> > asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and whether
> > it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other
> > questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
> > Affairs Department.
>
>
> What's wrong with that? You called the wrong department, fool. Public
> affairs
> is the ones who answer questions from the public. Only you would be
> arrogant enough to tell a huge private corporation how to make policy
> and run it's internal affairs.
>
> It's none of your business, arrogant asshole.
>
>
>
> We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
> > the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
> > she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
> > but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
> > Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
> > products.
>
> Financial info like that will be listed in the financial statements, if
> they are required to report it by the SEC. If the SEC does not require
> that be reported, they won't divulge it.
> You don't understand that the financial affairs of a private
> Corporation, beyond what the SEC requires to be reported, are none of
> your business.
>
> >
> > [Of course I can't verify the phone conversations, but all of the
> > above appears to be factual. Indeed, companies are *very* tight lipped
> > when it comes to their Kosher certification processes. I suspect that
> > this is because of non-disclosure agreements they were required to sign
> > when they entered contractual agreements with the Kashrus agencies.]
>
>
> Your suspicions are not evidence.
> >
> > What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
> > that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
> > amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
> > receive protection.
>
> It's not a tax if government doesn't impose it. A tax would affect all
> of the brands, not just a few of them.
> >
> > [While I take exception to the words "tax" and "protection",
> > the above statement is fairly accurate, though I have never found a
> > reliable source citing the dollar amounts involved.]
> >
> > This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
> > the products.
>
> People who buy Kosher products compare prices just like those who don't
> keep KOSHER
> do.
> >
> > [Actually, the "tax" gets passed on to *all* consumers of the
> > products, but as non-Jews outnumber Jews at a ratio of 49 to 1, you can
> > guess who bears the bulk of the cost.]
> >
> > The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> > consequences of a Jewish boycott.
>
> BULLSHIT. Then how come there are companies like Von's, Albertson's,
> Kroger and Springfield who don't sell any Kosher products? These are
> HUGE companies.

You are mistaken, I bought my Weetabix cereal from Vons and it is
clearly marked with a "u" on the front. Vons is now Safeway and
Ralphs
is now Kroger. Many of their products have the "u" on them. On
jewish
holidays they have a special section of kosher products so why can't
they
keep *all* kosher products in one section at all times.

> > Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does
> > not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.

> Bullshit. I don't even look for those markings.
> Nobody in olur family keeps Kosher and none of us look for them.

So it's rather a waste of time then isn't it?

Joe Bruno wrote:
> Waldo wrote:
> > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > (Cross-postings removed)
> >
> > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> >
> > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > Gentiles from their money.
> > >
> > > I doubt I can change your mind, but for the edification of others,
> > > here's the Snopes page about this:
> > > http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm
> >
> >
> > Thanks for not attacking me with insults and epithets, Brian. As you
> > were kind enough to post the Snopes article, would you indulge my
> > commentary on the article and Barbara Mikkelson's analysis?
> >
> > My comments will appear in [brackets].
> >
> > Begin Snopes article:
> >
> > <quote>
> >
> > _______________________________________
> >
> > Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> > grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secret tax
> > to the Jews.
> >
> > [First, Mikkelson is starting with a false premise: That the fees paid
> > to the Kashrus (Kosher Certification) agencies, and the costs incurred
> > by the companies in fulfilling the demands placed on them by the
> > Kashrus agencies is a "tax". It is true that many ignorant and/or
> > overzealous persons have incorrectly used the word "tax" to
> > describe this financial burden, which is ultimately born by *all*
> > consumers of the affected products, but the term is inaccurate, and
> > defenders of the Kosher Kabal try valiantly to use this error to
> > pooh-pooh the entire scheme]
> >
> > Status: False.
> >
> > [Remove the word "tax" form the false premise, and you can replace
> > Mikkelson's "false" with "true".]
> >
> > Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]
> >
> > [It should be noted that Mikkelson was obviously careful to select an
> > article that was written by persons who are ignorant on the subject,
> > and have no credibility. Aztlan? Oh please!]
> >
> > [<begin article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]
> >
> >
> > The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
> >
> > By Ernesto Cienfuegos
> > La Voz de Aztlan
> >
> > Los Angeles, Alta California - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> > quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
> > Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last
> > week we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the
> > small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on
> > many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The
> > message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research into
> > the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both
> > shocked and angered us.
> >
> > On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
> > verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
> > most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> > Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
> > markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
> > Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
> > Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the
> > (U) or (K) mark on them.
> >
> > [All true]
> >
> > We needed a little more verification so we called two major
> > companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that
> > markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the
> > Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as
> > well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their
> > packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about
> > their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what
> > the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
> > until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
> > that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than
> > asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and whether
> > it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other
> > questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
> > Affairs Department.
>
>
> What's wrong with that? You called the wrong department, fool.

No, you're the fool, dingbat. You're responding to the article I
was COMMENTING on as though I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.

> Public affairs is the ones who answer questions from the public. Only you would be
> arrogant enough to tell a huge private corporation how to make policy
> and run it's internal affairs.
>
> It's none of your business, arrogant asshole.


Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.


>
> We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
> > the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
> > she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
> > but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
> > Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
> > products.
>
> Financial info like that will be listed in the financial statements, if
> they are required to report it by the SEC. If the SEC does not require
> that be reported, they won't divulge it.
> You don't understand that the financial affairs of a private
> Corporation, beyond what the SEC requires to be reported, are none of
> your business.


Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.


> >
> > [Of course I can't verify the phone conversations, but all of the
> > above appears to be factual. Indeed, companies are *very* tight lipped
> > when it comes to their Kosher certification processes. I suspect that
> > this is because of non-disclosure agreements they were required to sign
> > when they entered contractual agreements with the Kashrus agencies.]
>
>
> Your suspicions are not evidence.
> >
> > What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
> > that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
> > amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
> > receive protection.
>
> It's not a tax if government doesn't impose it. A tax would affect all
> of the brands, not just a few of them.


Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.


> > [While I take exception to the words "tax" and "protection",
> > the above statement is fairly accurate, though I have never found a
> > reliable source citing the dollar amounts involved.]
> >
> > This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
> > the products.
>
> People who buy Kosher products compare prices just like those who don't
> keep KOSHER
> do.


Did you notice that your above comment was entirely irrelevant to
anything that was said, Joe-Liz?


> > [Actually, the "tax" gets passed on to *all* consumers of the
> > products, but as non-Jews outnumber Jews at a ratio of 49 to 1, you can
> > guess who bears the bulk of the cost.]
> >
> > The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> > consequences of a Jewish boycott.
>
> BULLSHIT. Then how come there are companies like Von's, Albertson's,
> Kroger and Springfield who don't sell any Kosher products? These are
> HUGE companies.

You're a dolt, Joe-Liz. Vons, Albertson's and Kroger ALL sell
Kosher Certified products, and you KNOW it. If you're going to lie,
at least try to be clever about it. Sheesh!


>
> >
> > Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does
> > not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.
>
>
>
>
> Bullshit. I don't even look for those markings.
> Nobody in olur family keeps Kosher and none of us look for them.
>
> You're a ****ing liar.

Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.

**

Waldo

Observer at Large

Waldo wrote:
> Joe Bruno wrote:
> > Waldo wrote:
> > > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > > (Cross-postings removed)
> > >
> > > Cross-postings restored - there may be parties who are interested in
> > > seeing this Snopes article answered.
> > >
> > > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > > Kosher Certification means ONE thing: That the product conforms to
> > > > > Jewish Religious Superstition - or as in the case of bleach above, that
> > > > > the Jewish Kash-R-Us agencies are unscrupulous con artists that are
> > > > > busily doing what Jews have always done best - separating gullible
> > > > > Gentiles from their money.

ROTFL! So your claim is that high-level executives of major companies
like
Proctor and gamble, Heinz, and Kraft Foods Worldwide, who are probably
the best businessmen in the world, are hoodwinked into buying a
certification process that they don't need that will not increase
their profits?
At the other end, consumers who can clearly see the Kosher markings on
packaged foods don't have the option to avoid that product and buy
something else?

You're not only dishonest. You're just plain stupid.

> > > >
> > > > I doubt I can change your mind, but for the edification of others,
> > > > here's the Snopes page about this:
> > > > http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for not attacking me with insults and epithets, Brian. As you
> > > were kind enough to post the Snopes article, would you indulge my
> > > commentary on the article and Barbara Mikkelson's analysis?
> > >
> > > My comments will appear in [brackets].
> > >
> > > Begin Snopes article:
> > >
> > > <quote>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________
> > >
> > > Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> > > grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secret tax
> > > to the Jews.
> > >
> > > [First, Mikkelson is starting with a false premise: That the fees paid
> > > to the Kashrus (Kosher Certification) agencies, and the costs incurred
> > > by the companies in fulfilling the demands placed on them by the
> > > Kashrus agencies is a "tax". It is true that many ignorant and/or
> > > overzealous persons have incorrectly used the word "tax" to
> > > describe this financial burden, which is ultimately born by *all*
> > > consumers of the affected products, but the term is inaccurate, and
> > > defenders of the Kosher Kabal try valiantly to use this error to
> > > pooh-pooh the entire scheme]
> > >
> > > Status: False.
> > >
> > > [Remove the word "tax" form the false premise, and you can replace
> > > Mikkelson's "false" with "true".]
> > >
> > > Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]
> > >
> > > [It should be noted that Mikkelson was obviously careful to select an
> > > article that was written by persons who are ignorant on the subject,
> > > and have no credibility. Aztlan? Oh please!]
> > >
> > > [<begin article that Mikkelson intends to "debunk">]
> > >
> > >
> > > The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
> > >
> > > By Ernesto Cienfuegos
> > > La Voz de Aztlan
> > >
> > > Los Angeles, Alta California - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> > > quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
> > > Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last
> > > week we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the
> > > small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on
> > > many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The
> > > message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research into
> > > the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both
> > > shocked and angered us.
> > >
> > > On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
> > > verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
> > > most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> > > Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
> > > markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
> > > Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
> > > Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the
> > > (U) or (K) mark on them.
> > >
> > > [All true]
> > >
> > > We needed a little more verification so we called two major
> > > companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that
> > > markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the
> > > Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as
> > > well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their
> > > packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about
> > > their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what
> > > the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
> > > until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
> > > that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than
> > > asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and whether
> > > it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other
> > > questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
> > > Affairs Department.
> >
> >
> > What's wrong with that? You called the wrong department, fool.
>
> No, you're the fool, dingbat. You're responding to the article I
> was COMMENTING on as though I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.

You endorsed the articles findings and merely qualified some of the
wording. All you did was correct the use of the word "tax".


>
> > Public affairs is the ones who answer questions from the public. Only you would be
> > arrogant enough to tell a huge private corporation how to make policy
> > and run it's internal affairs.
> >
> > It's none of your business, arrogant asshole.
>
>
> Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
> I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.

You endorsed the articles findings and merely qualified some of the
wording. All you did was correct the use of the word "tax".



>
>
> >
> > We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
> > > the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
> > > she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
> > > but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
> > > Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
> > > products.
> >
> > Financial info like that will be listed in the financial statements, if
> > they are required to report it by the SEC. If the SEC does not require
> > that be reported, they won't divulge it.
> > You don't understand that the financial affairs of a private
> > Corporation, beyond what the SEC requires to be reported, are none of
> > your business.
>
>
> Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
> I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.

You endorsed the articles findings and merely qualified some of the
wording. All you did was correct the use of the word "tax".



>
>
> > >
> > > [Of course I can't verify the phone conversations, but all of the
> > > above appears to be factual. Indeed, companies are *very* tight lipped
> > > when it comes to their Kosher certification processes. I suspect that
> > > this is because of non-disclosure agreements they were required to sign
> > > when they entered contractual agreements with the Kashrus agencies.]
> >
> >
> > Your suspicions are not evidence.
> > >
> > > What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
> > > that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
> > > amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
> > > receive protection.
> >
> > It's not a tax if government doesn't impose it. A tax would affect all
> > of the brands, not just a few of them.
>
>
> Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
> I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.


You endorsed the articles findings and merely qualified some of the
wording. All you did was correct the use of the word "tax".







>
>
> > > [While I take exception to the words "tax" and "protection",
> > > the above statement is fairly accurate, though I have never found a
> > > reliable source citing the dollar amounts involved.]
> > >
> > > This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
> > > the products.
> >
> > People who buy Kosher products compare prices just like those who don't
> > keep KOSHER
> > do.
>
>
> Did you notice that your above comment was entirely irrelevant to
> anything that was said, Joe-Liz?

No, it isn't. If the situation occurs that the Kosher product is
cheaper or equal to the
non-Kosher product in price, the certification process does not matter.

Since I buy almost exclusively on the basis of price, the few Kosher
items I did find in my house are cheaper overall, and I couldn't care
less if they are certified or not and neither does anyone else.
>
>
> > > [Actually, the "tax" gets passed on to *all* consumers of the
> > > products, but as non-Jews outnumber Jews at a ratio of 49 to 1, you can
> > > guess who bears the bulk of the cost.]


That's more bullshit. What counts is the proportion of gentiles who buy
Kosher products and that is not the same as the proportion in the
general population.

You endorsed the articles findings and merely qualified some of the
wording. All you did was correct the use of the word "tax".

It doesn't matter who wrote it.


If there is an extortion scheme or confidence game being used, as you
claim, report it to the law enforcement authorities. Here's your
chance to put some Orthodox Jews in jail,
Big shot. How can you possibly pass that by?

LOL!












> > >
> > > The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> > > consequences of a Jewish boycott.
> >
> > BULLSHIT. Then how come there are companies like Von's, Albertson's,
> > Kroger and Springfield who don't sell any Kosher products? These are
> > HUGE companies.
>
> You're a dolt, Joe-Liz. Vons, Albertson's and Kroger ALL sell
> Kosher Certified products, and you KNOW it. If you're going to lie,
> at least try to be clever about it. Sheesh!
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does
> > > not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bullshit. I don't even look for those markings.
> > Nobody in olur family keeps Kosher and none of us look for them.
> >
> > You're a ****ing liar.
>
> Again, you're responding to the article I was COMMENTING on as though
> I had written it. Learn to read, dullard.
>
> **
>
> Waldo
>
> Observer at Large

Hello, please give a click to my kitchen presented at
www.kuchynezdarma.cz, go to Fotogalerie - hlasování and there it is
the one with a pink girl standing at the bottom - rigt. Thanks. It is
just a game. John.

Want to hear the punchline? Right after reading that post, I was
watching the business news and they did a whole spot on Halal Food and
its possibility as a huge growing market. It seems that Kosher food is
much more prevalent than Halal, despite a growing muslim community.

Waldo wrote:
> wrote:
> > Joe Bruno wrote:
> > > 127.0.0.1 wrote:
> > > > Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives
> > > > quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers.
> > > > Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last week
> > > > we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the small
> > > > encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on many food
> > > > cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The message gave us some
> > > > clues and suggested that we do some research into the subject. What we
> > > > found certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
> > > >
> > > > Some common kosher symbolsOn arriving at my residence, I immediately went to
> > > > the pantry to verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure
> > > > enough, most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
> > > > Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar
> > > > markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the
> > > > Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader
> > > > Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the (U)
> > > > or (K) mark on them.
> > > >
> > > > We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies to
> > > > asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the Folgers
> > > > Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads plastic zip lock
> > > > sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as most others, have
> > > > 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages for consumers to call in
> > > > case they have any questions about their products. When we asked the
> > > > Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee
> > > > container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her supervisor.
> > > > She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the coffee was "
> > > > certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to
> > > > be "kosher" and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer
> > > > these and other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate
> > > > Public Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask
> > > > what the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
> > > > she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher" but
> > > > refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox Corporation has
> > > > to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.
> > > >
> > > > What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned that
> > > > major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax amounting
> > > > to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to receive protection.
> > > > This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of the
> > > > products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the
> > > > consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned not to buy
> > > > any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and other similar
> > > > markings.
> > > >
> > > > Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
> > > > sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the perpetrators of
> > > > these elaborate extortion schemes are actually Rabbinical Councils that are
> > > > set up, not just in the U.S. but in other western countries as well. For
> > > > example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run by those who
> > > > license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection for many
> > > > products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This symbol is
> > > > managed by the The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters
> > > > at 333 Seventh Avenue in New York City.
> > > >
> > > > The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast amounts
> > > > of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of Orthodox Rabbis
> > > > to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in Israel. The website of
> > > > the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is full of pro-Israel and
> > > > anti-Palestinian propaganda.
> > > >
> > > > The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
> > > > approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
> > > > certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a boycott by
> > > > every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food companies, succumb to
> > > > the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish dominated media and a boycott
> > > > that may eventually culminate in bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know
> > > > that the cost can be passed on to the consumer anyway. The food companies
> > > > have kept secret from the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the
> > > > amount of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
> > > >
> > > > It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
> > > > manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the "Kosher
> > > > Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200 Rabbi agents
> > > > that are spread through out the U.S. Food companies must first pay an
> > > > exorbitant application fee and than a large annual fee for the use of the
> > > > (U) copyright symbol. Secondly, the companies must pay separate fees each
> > > > time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" the company's operations.
> > > > Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
> > > > lucrative salaries.
> > > >
> > > > The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food companies
> > > > to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is estimated to be
> > > > in the billions since the scam first started. The Orthodox Jewish Councils
> > > > as well as the food companies keep the amount of the fees very secret. The
> > > > Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote about the problem many years ago,
> > > > but they have stopped writing about it now.
> > > >
> > > > Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will eventually
> > > > help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public education of the
> > > > scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of all products with the
> > > > (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I certainly do not need to pay
> > > > extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee" or "kosher plastic sandwich
> > > > bags". In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
> > > > for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax.
> > >
> > > Taxes are imposed by government on all products of a certain type, not
> > > just certain brands.
> > >
> > > Are there any bright attorneys out
> > > > there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of Orthodox
> > > > Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and other
> > > > non-Jewish people?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.aztlan.net/koshernostra.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > PSSST! All ya gotta do is read the label. If it has the Kosher symbol
> > > on it, you put the damn thing back on the shelf and go buy something
> > > else.
> >
> > That's hardly the point is it? Why not just putall kosher products
> in a special
> > section of the market and clearly state that they *are* Kosher?
>
>
> At this point that would be nearly impossible, as the scheme has become
> so pervasive that 85% of all packaged foodstuffs sold in the USA are
> now Kosher Certified. It would be far more efficient to create a
> special section for the 15% of packaged foods that are *non-Kosher*.
>
> I would suspect that, of the 15% of products that don't bear the
> Kosher Seal, most don't because they CAN'T be certified - IOW, they
> contain ingredients or combinations of ingredients that make them
> inherently non-Kosher: Containing forbidden meats, the mixing meat
> products with dairy products, etc.
>
> So the Kosher Kabal has pretty much saturated the market.
>
>
> > Why should customers have to check everything that they buy to see if it's
> > Kosher?
>
> Why indeed. 90% of the general public have no idea what the tiny,
> obscure Kosher Seals mean, and base their buying decisions on factors
> of price, quality, familiarity, etc. yet they PAY so that Jews can have
> the privilege of eating Kosher from a can.
>
>
> > > If you can't read, have your Momma do your shopping for you.
> > >
> > > If she can't read, send your Daddy to do it.
> > >
> > > If he can't read, send Grandpa.
> > >
> > > If he can't read, send your Aunt Phoebe.
> > >
> > > If she can't read, and Kosher food really bothers you, I guess you'll
> > > just starve to death.
> >
> > What is kosher about bleach?
>
>
> Nothing. Bleach is a neutral substance (a poison, in fact), and can
> neither be Kosher nor non-Kosher. Kosher certifying bleach makes as
> much sense as if the FDA were to regulate golf balls.
>
> As I mentioned above, the Kosher industry has saturated the market, and
> must now work on conning manufacturers into "certifying" things
> that are entirely irrelevant to the issue - things like bleach, window
> cleaner, rubbing alcohol, etc.
>
> The Kosher Kabal has no scruples, but they have an abundance of
> "screwples". They have been a con industry from the start, and as
> the market saturation increases, they will get worse.
>
>
> > What is the difference between Kosher
> > and other foodstuffs?
>
>
> "Kosher" goodies are "safe for Jews to eat", meaning that they
> comply with ancient and arcane Jewish religious superstitions based on
> a handful of simple Old Testament/Torah scriptures that, over the ages,
> Jewish "sages" have managed to blow up into a complicated,
> intricate and entirely nonsensical set of "rules" that govern the
> eating habits of Jews. These rules are so complex and so ridiculous
> that the vast majority of Jews won't even try - and those who do
> "keep kosher" (less than one million in the USA) are virtual slaves
> to these silly superstitions.
>
>
> > All animals are bled in the slaughterhouse, so
> > why
> > is it necessary to slit their throats without first stunning them?
>
> Again, religious superstition. The Torah tells Jews which animals (and
> which parts) they may eat, and prescribes the method of slaughter -
> throat cutting. They are to avoid blood, so the animal must be
> thoroughly bled, and the meat soaked in cold water and salted. Also
> there is a prohibition against eating certain parts of some animals. In
> the case of beef, only the front quarters of the animal are
> "Kosher", so the rest of the beast is sold off to the Gentile
> market, who have no idea that they are buying the "dregs' of Jewish
> Ritual Slaughter".
>
> Incidentally, Kosher certified beef is often 3 to 5 times as expensive
> as its non-Kosher counterparts.
>
>
> > This kosher stuff is insane and the jew has no right to force the
> > general population to purchase the stuff and pay more for the favour.
>
>
> Indeed. Were this scam to become widely known, there is little doubt
> that the companies would quickly dump the Rabbinical Racketeers and
> their scam, forcing Jews to foot the bill for their queer eating
> habits. (Of course, they would immediately call the companies
> "Nazis" and spread rumors of an impending "food Holocaust",
> probably mentioning the number "six million" repeatedly)
>
>
> > Let jew companies only stamp their products "Kosher" and leave the rest of us to buy
> > from our own kind.
>
>
> These are not necessarily "Jew companies". They are mainstream
> corporations, like Heinz, Hunts, Del Monte, Frito Lay, Pepsico,
> Nabisco, Green Giant, etc. (not to mention the generic brands) that
> have been conned by the Kashrus (Kash-R-Us) agencies into believing
> that they will make oodles of money if they allow the agencies to
> certify their goodies as "fit for Jewish consumption". The do this
> by cunningly misrepresenting the true size and scope of the portion of
> the population that they call "Kosher Consumers".
>
> They claim that is not just Jews who actively look for the mark of the
> Kosher Beast while shopping, but many non-Jews as well. And while this
> is true, they misrepresent the size of this market, and the extent of
> the interest that any of these non-Jewish groups might have in
> "Kosher".
>
> Furthermore, there is a subtle but active campaign to fool the Gentile
> consumer into believing that "Kosher Certification" means that a
> product is somehow better, safer, cleaner, more healthy, or is less
> likely to contain pathogens or contaminants. THIS IS NOT TRUE.


ROTFL! Is that why I posted Leviticus chapter 11?
I want everyone to know exactly what Kosher is and why it is.

It doesn't come from doctors. It comes from the Almighty and He said
nothing about health.
The ancient logic behind Kosher law is that the forbidden animals are
scavengers who eat carrion and anything else they can find. That's what
God meant when he called them " "unclean". He was right, too.After
several Civil War battles, pigs were seen eating the dead men on the
battlefield.

All this indignation comes from the sleazebag who alters posts.

"Joe Bruno" > wrote in message
oups.com...


>
> ROTFL! Is that why I posted Leviticus chapter 11?
> I want everyone to know exactly what Kosher is and why it is.
>
> It doesn't come from doctors. It comes from the Almighty

There is no allmighty, you dull ****.

Just like your holohoax, I'm afraid. Just a figment of a very vivid
imagination.

In article >,
Benjie .> wrote:

(snip)

Lay off the dope, old fool.

"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- the neo-Nazi "Ben Cramer/Benjie" reflects on his usage of
hallucinatory drugs. Source:
Message-ID: <1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teran ews>

RJ.