Maybe you've heard already?

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../-1/BUSINESS07

In one day(?), 78 boats managed to net an average of 23 carp each (they
jump when disturbed by a motorboat, but will not bite a lure).

The article says many people say the carp tastes bland, with annoying
small bones, but there IS a market. In the meantime, it's a very bad
menace to the native fish.

Lenona.

wrote:
> Maybe you've heard already?
>
> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../-1/BUSINESS07
>
> In one day(?), 78 boats managed to net an average of 23 carp each (they
> jump when disturbed by a motorboat, but will not bite a lure).
>
> The article says many people say the carp tastes bland, with annoying
> small bones, but there IS a market. In the meantime, it's a very bad
> menace to the native fish.
>
> Lenona.

I wonderif they could introduce a native predatory species to keep the
populations in check...?

-L.

"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> Maybe you've heard already?
>>
>> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../-1/BUSINESS07
>>
>> In one day(?), 78 boats managed to net an average of 23 carp each (they
>> jump when disturbed by a motorboat, but will not bite a lure).
>>
>> The article says many people say the carp tastes bland, with annoying
>> small bones, but there IS a market. In the meantime, it's a very bad
>> menace to the native fish.
>>
>> Lenona.
>
> I wonderif they could introduce a native predatory species to keep the
> populations in check...?
>
> -L.


"introduce a native predatory species" ?

you bring a whole new meaning to what "Is" is there Peaceful Boa

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On 13 Sep 2006 04:13:10 -0700, wrote:
>
>> In one day(?), 78 boats managed to net an average of 23 carp each (they
>> jump when disturbed by a motorboat, but will not bite a lure).
>
> Here's a video showing the jumping carp.
> http://www.glfc.org/fishmgmt/Asiancarp.rm

I saw it on the CBS Evening News last night. Pretty wild.

Mary

Gunner wrote:
>
> "introduce a native predatory species" ?
>
> you bring a whole new meaning to what "Is" is there Peaceful Boa

???? Your phrase - it certainly is not a sentence - makes no sense.

What I mean, is there some predatory species native to Illinois rivers
that would feed on the young of the Asian carp...? (Maybe Northern
Pike, or a omnnivorous turtle species, or something?) Would it be
possible to introduce more of these predators to help control the
populations of the non-native pest species? Controlling an introduced
species is a real problem. I know in some areas they have used
species-specific diseases or paracites to do so.

-L.

> wrote:
>Maybe you've heard already?
>
>http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../-1/BUSINESS07
>
>In one day(?), 78 boats managed to net an average of 23 carp each (they
>jump when disturbed by a motorboat, but will not bite a lure).
>
>The article says many people say the carp tastes bland, with annoying
>small bones, but there IS a market. In the meantime, it's a very bad
>menace to the native fish.

Saw it on the CBS Evening News.

Hilarious.

Hundreds of fish flying in all directions, up to ten
feet in the air.

If someone had invented the idea and filmed it as a cartoon,
you wouldn't believe it.

The most efficient method of catching them is probably
drag-netting the river, though. Any method involving
the motorboating will probably evolve the panic out of
the species shortly.

--Blair

-L. > wrote:
>What I mean, is there some predatory species native to Illinois rivers
>that would feed on the young of the Asian carp...? (Maybe Northern

If there were, they'd probably have already grown
enormously in number due to the availability of so
many Asian Carp as food, and the Asian Carp wouldn't
be so big a problem.

However, do the words "Cane Toad" mean anything?

I say either poison the river and re-stock, or net
everything and re-stock every few years.

--Blair

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> -L. > wrote:
> >What I mean, is there some predatory species native to Illinois rivers
> >that would feed on the young of the Asian carp...? (Maybe Northern
>
> If there were, they'd probably have already grown
> enormously in number due to the availability of so
> many Asian Carp as food, and the Asian Carp wouldn't
> be so big a problem.

Not necessarily, if the initial population numbers were skewed too far
in the favor of the carp.

-L.

-L. > wrote:
>
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> -L. > wrote:
>> >What I mean, is there some predatory species native to Illinois rivers
>> >that would feed on the young of the Asian carp...? (Maybe Northern
>>
>> If there were, they'd probably have already grown
>> enormously in number due to the availability of so
>> many Asian Carp as food, and the Asian Carp wouldn't
>> be so big a problem.
>
>Not necessarily, if the initial population numbers were skewed too far
>in the favor of the carp.

Initially, there were no carp.

--Blair
"Nobody stocked the river with carp."

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> >
> >Not necessarily, if the initial population numbers were skewed too far
> >in the favor of the carp.
>
> Initially, there were no carp.
>

Sigh. The initial *competitive* populations. I'm not inclined to
explain this further, but suffice it to say, if the reproduction of the
carp is such that it overpopulates the niche before the preadtors can
"catch up" so to speak, the predators will not impact the prey
populations significantly. Introducing more predatory species *could*
put the relationship back in balance.

-L.

-L.writhes:

> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> > >
> > >Not necessarily, if the initial population numbers were skewed too far
> > >in the favor of the carp.
> >
> > Initially, there were no carp.
> >
>
> Sigh. The initial *competitive* populations. I'm not inclined to
> explain this further, but suffice it to say, if the reproduction of the
> carp is such that it overpopulates the niche before the preadtors can
> "catch up" so to speak, the predators will not impact the prey
> populations significantly. Introducing more predatory species *could*
> put the relationship back in balance.


Why don't you go "introduce" yourself to them? Start in with one of those
foul - mouthed tirades of yours and they'd start committing suicide in
*droves*...

--
Best
Greg

<-> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:41:52 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>-L. > wrote:
>>>Not necessarily, if the initial population numbers were skewed too far
>>>in the favor of the carp.
>>
>>Initially, there were no carp.
>> "Nobody stocked the river with carp."
>
>
>Initially, they say, there was nothing, and space was quiet and void.
>
>Then stuff started to happen.

I'm not sure the carp sprang into being as a result
of random disturbances in quantum spacetime...

>I always wonder at what age each of us wakes up to the face that
>"things change" and we're never going to have life be exactly the
>same as when we were kids. . .

Prom night.

--Blair

-L. > wrote:
>
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> >
>> >Not necessarily, if the initial population numbers were skewed too far
>> >in the favor of the carp.
>>
>> Initially, there were no carp.
>>
>
>Sigh. The initial *competitive* populations. I'm not inclined to
>explain this further,

You're not qualified to, either.

Go take a class in partial differential equations.
The "predator-prey" cycle is a classic example about
a quarter of the way into the book.

If these things had a predator population, they'd
be exploding, too, then the carp population would
drop, then the predator population would drop, then
the carp population would explode, then the predator
population would explode, etc.

>but suffice it to say, if the reproduction of the
>carp is such that it overpopulates the niche before the preadtors can
>"catch up" so to speak, the predators will not impact the prey
>populations significantly. Introducing more predatory species *could*
>put the relationship back in balance.

Anything that would prey on these would eat all the
other fish, too.

You know, like humans.

--Blair