Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.

"Kevin" > wrote in message
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> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>
>
It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of goods
sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment for
shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit on
the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
really isn't any way around that.

Kent

Kent wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>
>>
> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of goods
> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment for
> shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit on
> the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
> expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
> really isn't any way around that.

Worst business analysis I've heard in a long time.

In regards to adding wood to a regular oven, bad idea in any case. That
doesn't mean this isn't a good unit for what it's actually designed to do.
I hope to hear from an experienced user.

--
Mort

"Mort" > wrote in message
...
> Kent wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>>
>>>
>> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
>> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of
>> goods
>> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment
>> for
>> shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit
>> on
>> the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
>> expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
>> really isn't any way around that.
>
> Worst business analysis I've heard in a long time.
>
> In regards to adding wood to a regular oven, bad idea in any case. That
> doesn't mean this isn't a good unit for what it's actually designed to do.
> I hope to hear from an experienced user.
>
> --
> Mort
>
>
Cost of Goods Sold is an accepted accounting term. This product has to have
a very high marketing cost. It's OK, from an accounting standpoint to spend
this kind of money marketing a car. For the vendor to spend this much on a 9
lb hunk of junk is almost thievery. As far as the product itself is
concerned, read the following: http://nuwave-oven.****edconsumer.com/

Kent

On Jan 9, 11:40*am, "Kent" > wrote:
> "Mort" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Kent wrote:
>
> >> > *wrote in message
> ....
> >>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. *It sounds
> >>> intriguing. *I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
> >>> smoke flavor. *Kind of mess up the house though.
>
> >> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
> >> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of
> >> goods
> >> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment
> >> for
> >> shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit
> >> on
> >> the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
> >> expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
> >> really isn't any way around that.
>
> > Worst business analysis I've heard in a long time.
>
> > In regards to adding wood to a regular oven, bad idea in any case. That
> > doesn't mean this isn't a good unit for what it's actually designed to do.
> > I hope to hear from an experienced user.
>
> > --
> > Mort
>
> Cost of Goods Sold is an accepted accounting term. This product has to have
> a very high marketing cost. It's OK, from an accounting standpoint to spend
> this kind of money marketing a car. For the vendor to spend this much on a 9
> lb hunk of junk is almost thievery.

None of your bloviating supports your bullshit Kent. But keep on
arguing, every word exposes more of the breadth and depths of your
ignorance.

Kent Challenge: Next time try to misuse the term "GAAP" or, for bonus
points "EBITDA".

Kent wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Kent wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>>>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>>>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
>>> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of
>>> goods
>>> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment
>>> for
>>> shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit
>>> on
>>> the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
>>> expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
>>> really isn't any way around that.
>>
>> Worst business analysis I've heard in a long time.
>>
>> In regards to adding wood to a regular oven, bad idea in any case. That
>> doesn't mean this isn't a good unit for what it's actually designed to do.
>> I hope to hear from an experienced user.
>>
>>
> Cost of Goods Sold is an accepted accounting term. This product has to have
> a very high marketing cost.

You haven't a clue.

Direct marketing via tv (aka infomercials, showmercials) often results
in lower a marketing cost PER UNIT. It depends on the product and
the offering.

So no, ****wit, it doesn't "have to have" a higher cost.

--
Mort

"Mort" > wrote in message
...
> Kent wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Kent wrote:
>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>>>>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>>>>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
>>>> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of
>>>> goods
>>>> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment
>>>> for
>>>> shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit
>>>> on
>>>> the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
>>>> expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
>>>> really isn't any way around that.
>>>
>>> Worst business analysis I've heard in a long time.
>>>
>>> In regards to adding wood to a regular oven, bad idea in any case. That
>>> doesn't mean this isn't a good unit for what it's actually designed to
>>> do.
>>> I hope to hear from an experienced user.
>>>
>>>
>> Cost of Goods Sold is an accepted accounting term. This product has to
>> have
>> a very high marketing cost.
>
> You haven't a clue.
>
> Direct marketing via tv (aka infomercials, showmercials) often results
> in lower a marketing cost PER UNIT. It depends on the product and
> the offering.
>
> So no, ****wit, it doesn't "have to have" a higher cost.
>
> --
> Mort
>
>
It's $135 including shipping on TV
It's $100 including shipping at the K-Mart.

Kent

Kent wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Kent wrote:
>>
>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>>>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>>>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
>>> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of
>>> goods
>>> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment
>>> for
>>> shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit
>>> on
>>> the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
>>> expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
>>> really isn't any way around that.
>>>
>> Worst business analysis I've heard in a long time.
>>
>> In regards to adding wood to a regular oven, bad idea in any case. That
>> doesn't mean this isn't a good unit for what it's actually designed to do.
>> I hope to hear from an experienced user.
>>
>> --
>> Mort
>>
>>
>>
> Cost of Goods Sold is an accepted accounting term. This product has to have
> a very high marketing cost. It's OK, from an accounting standpoint to spend
> this kind of money marketing a car. For the vendor to spend this much on a 9
> lb hunk of junk is almost thievery. As far as the product itself is
> concerned, read the following: http://nuwave-oven.****edconsumer.com/
>
> Kent
>
>
>
It's great you learned a new word. Infomercials are cheap to produce
and air compared to conventional advertising. Look at what Geico pays.
Or Budweiser.

Selling direct to the consumer affords them a lot of profit that would
be lost using a retailer, too.

On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:22:49 -0800, Mort > wrote:

>Kent wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>>
>>>
>> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
>> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of goods
>> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment for
>> shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is profit on
>> the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than selling
>> expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk". There
>> really isn't any way around that.
>
>Worst business analysis I've heard in a long time.
>
>In regards to adding wood to a regular oven, bad idea in any case. That
>doesn't mean this isn't a good unit for what it's actually designed to do.
>I hope to hear from an experienced user.


We had one of these infrared cookers, or at least something very
similar to it a few years ago. Food came out very unevenly cooked,
and cleanup was a pain in the ass. I would most definitely not try to
smoke anything in one. Heck, I can't even recommend warming up dog
food for a three legged stray in this thing.

?
"Kent" > wrote
> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of goods
> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment
> for shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is
> profit on the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than
> selling expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk".
> There really isn't any way around that.
>
> Kent

It may be junk, buy your analysis is wrong. Selling through retail outlets
is very costly. The cost of goods is usually no more than 25% of the
selling price. Direct selling allows for higher profit at lower selling
price because the middle man is out of the picture.

Some years ago I worked for a company that made hobby goods. The normal
discount to the wholesaler was 50/10/2 and over $500 we paid freight.

"Kent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>
>>
> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of goods
> sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2. payment
> for shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that is
> profit on the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more than
> selling expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of junk".
> There really isn't any way around that.
>
> Kent
>

Then, I guess, by your logic (?) anything that is advertised during the
Super Bowl would be considered as JUNK? The cost per 30 second commercial
spot during the Super Bowl makes the cost of the infomercials look like
chump change.

Have you been eating food that you brined in your garage again?

"BigBadBubbas" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Kevin" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>>
>>>
>> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
>> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of
>> goods sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2.
>> payment for shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond that
>> is profit on the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more
>> than selling expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of
>> junk". There really isn't any way around that.
>>
>> Kent
>>
>
> Then, I guess, by your logic (?) anything that is advertised during the
> Super Bowl would be considered as JUNK? The cost per 30 second commercial
> spot during the Super Bowl makes the cost of the infomercials look like
> chump change.
>
> Have you been eating food that you brined in your garage again?
>
The cost of a 10 second commercial during the Super Bowel Movement is
nothing compared to the billion dollars a new drug is going to produce.

"Kent" > wrote in message
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>
> "BigBadBubbas" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Kent" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> It has to be a hunk of junk. When the vendor pays for a half hour
>>> demonstrating a product like that on TV, that increases the "cost of
>>> goods sold". That's accounting language for 1.price of the product 2.
>>> payment for shipping, wages, etc and 3.advertising, as on TV. Beyond
>>> that
>>> is profit on the "goods sold". There's so much spent selling, far more
>>> than selling expense in a store, that the product has to be a "hunk of
>>> junk". There really isn't any way around that.
>>>
>>> Kent
>>>
>>
>> Then, I guess, by your logic (?) anything that is advertised during the
>> Super Bowl would be considered as JUNK? The cost per 30 second
>> commercial
>> spot during the Super Bowl makes the cost of the infomercials look like
>> chump change.
>>
>> Have you been eating food that you brined in your garage again?
>>
> The cost of a 10 second commercial during the Super Bowel Movement is
> nothing compared to the billion dollars a new drug is going to produce.
>
Can you say "Non-Sequitor"? Whether or not you can say it, you just posted
one.

Kevin wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.

We've got one and we like it. As one would expect it works well for some
things better than for others. Things we would normally grill work well
without any tending or turning. Roast-type items brown nicely and stay
juicy.

The size is the limiting factor for anything serious that people in this
group normally prepare and I don't think it an appropriate tool for a "low
and slow" type of operation. I think the timer maxes out at an hour or so.

I think adding wood chips would be about as good of an idea as doing so in a
toaster oven.

"Kevin" > wrote in message
...
> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>
>
On the TV infocommercial it was $120 + shipping. You can buy it at K-Mart
for $100. You can least look at it and see if it is a "hunk of junk". As
well, if you don't like it you can return it.
Kent

Kent wrote:

>
> "Kevin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>
>>
> On the TV infocommercial it was $120 + shipping. You can buy it at K-Mart
> for $100. You can least look at it and see if it is a "hunk of junk". As
> well, if you don't like it you can return it.
> Kent

We bought ours at a place called Kitchen Collection two years ago and paid
80 bucks. (it is not the "Pro" though).

so what is your opinion of the quality? Lee
"Rick Brandt" > wrote in message
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> Kent wrote:
>
>>
>> "Kevin" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>>> intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>>> smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>>>
>>>
>> On the TV infocommercial it was $120 + shipping. You can buy it at K-Mart
>> for $100. You can least look at it and see if it is a "hunk of junk". As
>> well, if you don't like it you can return it.
>> Kent
>
> We bought ours at a place called Kitchen Collection two years ago and paid
> 80 bucks. (it is not the "Pro" though).

Storrmmee wrote:

> so what is your opinion of the quality? Lee
> "Rick Brandt" > wrote in message

As good as anyone could expect from a kitchen gadget. The housing plastic
is fairly heavy gauge and the timer control has a non-cheap feel to it.

My parents have a different brand of the same concept, but with a glass bowl
rather than a plastic dome. Theirs might be built better, but it's very
heavy and I like the dome better than the bowl.

thanks, Lee
"Rick Brandt" > wrote in message
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> Storrmmee wrote:
>
>> so what is your opinion of the quality? Lee
>> "Rick Brandt" > wrote in message
>
> As good as anyone could expect from a kitchen gadget. The housing plastic
> is fairly heavy gauge and the timer control has a non-cheap feel to it.
>
> My parents have a different brand of the same concept, but with a glass
> bowl
> rather than a plastic dome. Theirs might be built better, but it's very
> heavy and I like the dome better than the bowl.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Kent" > wrote:
>
>> "Kevin" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Does anyone have any experience with the Nu Wave oven. It sounds
>> > intriguing. I wonder if you can drop a tad of wood in there for some
>> > smoke flavor. Kind of mess up the house though.
>> >
>> >
>> On the TV infocommercial it was $120 + shipping. You can buy it at K-Mart
>> for $100. You can least look at it and see if it is a "hunk of junk". As
>> well, if you don't like it you can return it.
>> Kent
>
> Except said item is NOT SOLD at K-mart!
> Geeze Kent, I gave you more credit than this!
>
> <sighs>
> --
>
This URL says they are. All models are available at K-Mart if this is
correct. http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...3500001P?mv=rr
The $100 model I referred to is not digital. I just realized that. It
appears they all have the same infrared heating element.

Hunk of junk or not, what I find offensive is the fairground marketing. An
infrared broiling element above the steak is used in many steak houses, and
the right product would probably be interesting to have at home, depending
on how and what you cook.

I think, however, that it's very foolish to buy a product this important, in
your kitchen, from a huckstering TV ad. You have to be able to see it in the
flesh, try it at home, and return it if it doesn't do what you had hoped it
would.

Peace to you OM. Take a look at this, if you haven't, from the Wall Street
Journal this weekend.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...+off%22+austin

Kent