I have purchased a case so far. I wish they would exclude the Boston Lager
and Light for more of the Porter or Winter Ale. I am not a big SA drinker
but I love porters and for an American porter I like SA next to the Sierra
Nevada.

"mpomario" > wrote in
news:x0jvd.651664$mD.530447@attbi_s02:

> I have purchased a case so far. I wish they would exclude the Boston
> Lager and Light for more of the Porter or Winter Ale. I am not a big
> SA drinker but I love porters and for an American porter I like SA
> next to the Sierra Nevada.

Eh, SA porter wasn't bad. Pretty good stuff, but not enough of a reason
to buy the sampler for me as there's lots of other porters that I
wouldn't have to deal with a light beer or ubiquitous lager for.
--
************************************************** ***************
Dan Iwerks thinks that the beer you're drinking probably sucks.
The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
responsible for the fact that you're a complete idiot.
************************************************** ***************

Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
actually really, truly, pour down the drain.

I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool curved
22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
bring those back.

Can you buy the fezzewig, porter or the other specialties by themselves? I
haven't seen them.

"Randal" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
> that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
> been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
> of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
> actually really, truly, pour down the drain.
>
> I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
> but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
> Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool curved
> 22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
> bring those back.
>

What is a fezzewig?

I do like SA porter and thought this year's Winter brew is darn tasty.

Jon


"mpomario" > wrote in message
news:n1kvd.183172$5K2.179255@attbi_s03...
> Can you buy the fezzewig, porter or the other specialties by themselves? I
> haven't seen them.
>
> "Randal" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> > name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> > a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> > some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
> > that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
> > been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
> > of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
> > actually really, truly, pour down the drain.
> >
> > I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
> > but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
> > Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool curved
> > 22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
> > bring those back.
> >
>
>

The Fezziwig is a fine offering from SA. One of the best around and best in
the holiday pack. Looky here.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/35/1881/

"zeppo" > wrote in message
...
> What is a fezzewig?
>
> I do like SA porter and thought this year's Winter brew is darn tasty.
>
> Jon
>
>
> "mpomario" > wrote in message
> news:n1kvd.183172$5K2.179255@attbi_s03...
> > Can you buy the fezzewig, porter or the other specialties by themselves?
I
> > haven't seen them.
> >
> > "Randal" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > > Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the
lambic
> > > name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> > > a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> > > some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
> > > that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
> > > been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
> > > of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
> > > actually really, truly, pour down the drain.
> > >
> > > I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
> > > but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
> > > Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool
curved
> > > 22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
> > > bring those back.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

The Fezziwig is a fine offering from SA. One of the best around and best in
the holiday pack. Looky here.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/35/1881/

"zeppo" > wrote in message
...
> What is a fezzewig?
>
> I do like SA porter and thought this year's Winter brew is darn tasty.
>
> Jon
>
>
> "mpomario" > wrote in message
> news:n1kvd.183172$5K2.179255@attbi_s03...
> > Can you buy the fezzewig, porter or the other specialties by themselves?
I
> > haven't seen them.
> >
> > "Randal" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > > Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the
lambic
> > > name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> > > a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> > > some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
> > > that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
> > > been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
> > > of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
> > > actually really, truly, pour down the drain.
> > >
> > > I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
> > > but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
> > > Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool
curved
> > > 22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
> > > bring those back.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

The Fezziwig is a fine offering from SA. One of the best around and best in
the holiday pack. Looky here.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/35/1881/

"zeppo" > wrote in message
...
> What is a fezzewig?
>
> I do like SA porter and thought this year's Winter brew is darn tasty.
>
> Jon
>
>
> "mpomario" > wrote in message
> news:n1kvd.183172$5K2.179255@attbi_s03...
> > Can you buy the fezzewig, porter or the other specialties by themselves?
I
> > haven't seen them.
> >
> > "Randal" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > > Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the
lambic
> > > name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> > > a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> > > some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
> > > that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
> > > been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
> > > of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
> > > actually really, truly, pour down the drain.
> > >
> > > I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
> > > but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
> > > Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool
curved
> > > 22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
> > > bring those back.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

What is a fezzewig?

I do like SA porter and thought this year's Winter brew is darn tasty.

Jon


"mpomario" > wrote in message
news:n1kvd.183172$5K2.179255@attbi_s03...
> Can you buy the fezzewig, porter or the other specialties by themselves? I
> haven't seen them.
>
> "Randal" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> > name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> > a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> > some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
> > that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
> > been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
> > of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
> > actually really, truly, pour down the drain.
> >
> > I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
> > but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
> > Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool curved
> > 22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
> > bring those back.
> >
>
>

"Randal" > wrote in message
> Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere.

There is. The Cranberry Lambic may be a travesty, but it's been getting
consistently more authentic...as authentic as an American-brewed "lambic"
will ever be.

--
Lew Bryson

www.LewBryson.com
Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both
available at <www.amazon.com>
The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it,
or respond to it. Spam away.

I agree on the Lambic. Last year it was undrinkable. This year the nose is
closer to a belgian and the cranberry punctuates with tartness pretty well,
I thought.


"Lew Bryson" > wrote in message
...
> "Randal" > wrote in message
> > Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> > name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> > a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> > some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere.
>
> There is. The Cranberry Lambic may be a travesty, but it's been getting
> consistently more authentic...as authentic as an American-brewed "lambic"
> will ever be.
>
> --
> Lew Bryson
>
> www.LewBryson.com
> Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both
> available at <www.amazon.com>
> The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it,
> or respond to it. Spam away.
>
>

I agree on the Lambic. Last year it was undrinkable. This year the nose is
closer to a belgian and the cranberry punctuates with tartness pretty well,
I thought.


"Lew Bryson" > wrote in message
...
> "Randal" > wrote in message
> > Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> > name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> > a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> > some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere.
>
> There is. The Cranberry Lambic may be a travesty, but it's been getting
> consistently more authentic...as authentic as an American-brewed "lambic"
> will ever be.
>
> --
> Lew Bryson
>
> www.LewBryson.com
> Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both
> available at <www.amazon.com>
> The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it,
> or respond to it. Spam away.
>
>

<< From: "Lew Bryson" >>


<< The Cranberry Lambic may be a travesty, but it's been getting consistently
more authentic...as authentic as an American brewed "lambic" will ever be. >>
____Reply Separator_____
Lambics are a type of ale brewed in parts of Belgium by exposing hot
wort (unfermented beer) to the outside air. Indigenous, wild yeasts
and other microorganisms settle on the exposed surface of the wort as
it cools and begin spontaneous fermentation. They are often sweetened
with fruit flavorings and generally prized the world over.
But apparently not in the states.

I dunno about that one. Here is an email from Ken Andrews the resident
microbioligist at tiny Bristol Brewing in Colorado Springs on their
experiments with spontaenous fermentation and lambic styles. I tried
the sour wheat and it was amazing and complex, very very true to style.
He's been isolating wild yeast from Cheyenne canyon raspberries.

-------------

Glad to be able to share the excitement of what we have been doing in
our S & B series of beers. We have eight such beers including 1) Oud
Bruin, 2) Aged Pale, 3) Flander's Red, 4) Strong Dark, 5) Grand
Cru', 6) Sour Wheat, 7) Aged IPA & 8) Cuvee' Special. All hand
crafted in individual oak barrels, aged at least six months (some two
to three years), gravity fed, hand packaged, keg Krausened during a
secondary fermentation (lactic acid bacteria) and naturally carbonated.
A few have been transferred to bottles, but most are still in the oak
barrels they were created in.

To produce these beers, I took the microbes isolated from the Cheyenne
Canyon fruit and created a cocktail of wild yeast (4 - 6 strains) and
lactic acid bacteria (6 - 8 strains) with which we inoculated the oak
barrels. Once a boil of these microbes had formed on the inside barrel
surface, we added various mixtures of uncorroborated beers (brewing
yeast fermented) to these barrels and let the wild yeast and lactic do
their thing! Honey is added at regular intervals to stimulate
Peddiococcus growth. With this style, long aging times result in
important taste changes, so storing bottles for long times and tasting
at a later date can be fun.

As to tasting any of these beers. We have one tap dedicated to S & B
and we do very limited (one or two days) releases of each type. There
is a legion of beer geeks who consume these beers ardently and none of
the beers lasts too long. Nothing is on tap currently. However, I can
think of two possible strategies 1) follow the events at Bristol
brewing on our web site and any S & B releases will be detailed and
make sure you are in the tasting room when the beer is released or 2)
working with the brew house staff we can schedule a day/time when you
will be at the brewery and we can arrange a tour and a special tasting
independent of what's on tap. I'll double check this with our
brewers, but I think it would be ok

You only hear of New Belgium because they market the heck out of their
products on a national scale and we aren't near that stage of
development yet, We will be some day I believe.
Let me know if you want to visit BBC-

Cheers-

Ken.

"Randal" > schreef in bericht
oups.com...
>I dunno about that one. Here is an email from Ken Andrews the resident
> microbioligist at tiny Bristol Brewing in Colorado Springs on their
> experiments with spontaenous fermentation and lambic styles. I tried
> the sour wheat and it was amazing and complex, very very true to style.
> He's been isolating wild yeast from Cheyenne canyon raspberries.


It's a question of time. Lambic-brewing needs a stable endemic microbial
population that is STABLE. And that cannot be rushed, it takes years to
stabilise. But it will come in the future. However, SA Cranberry Lambic is
as Belgian as mussels with ketchup and Freedom fries...

Joris

"Joris Pattyn" > wrote in message news:HNjyd.1153
> It's a question of time. Lambic-brewing needs a stable endemic microbial
> population that is STABLE. And that cannot be rushed, it takes years to
> stabilise. But it will come in the future. However, SA Cranberry Lambic is
> as Belgian as mussels with ketchup and Freedom fries...

What makes lambic lambic, Joris? The mashbill? The airborne microbes? The
fact that they ARE airborne? Where it's brewed? The microbes in the barrels
the beer is aged in? The finished character? It's a broad question, but why
not take a swing: what makes lambic lambic?

--
Lew Bryson

www.LewBryson.com
Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both
available at <www.amazon.com>
The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it,
or respond to it. Spam away.

"Joris Pattyn" > wrote in message news:HNjyd.1153
> It's a question of time. Lambic-brewing needs a stable endemic microbial
> population that is STABLE. And that cannot be rushed, it takes years to
> stabilise. But it will come in the future. However, SA Cranberry Lambic is
> as Belgian as mussels with ketchup and Freedom fries...

What makes lambic lambic, Joris? The mashbill? The airborne microbes? The
fact that they ARE airborne? Where it's brewed? The microbes in the barrels
the beer is aged in? The finished character? It's a broad question, but why
not take a swing: what makes lambic lambic?

--
Lew Bryson

www.LewBryson.com
Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both
available at <www.amazon.com>
The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it,
or respond to it. Spam away.

I dunno about that one. Here is an email from Ken Andrews the resident
microbioligist at tiny Bristol Brewing in Colorado Springs on their
experiments with spontaenous fermentation and lambic styles. I tried
the sour wheat and it was amazing and complex, very very true to style.
He's been isolating wild yeast from Cheyenne canyon raspberries.

-------------

Glad to be able to share the excitement of what we have been doing in
our S & B series of beers. We have eight such beers including 1) Oud
Bruin, 2) Aged Pale, 3) Flander's Red, 4) Strong Dark, 5) Grand
Cru', 6) Sour Wheat, 7) Aged IPA & 8) Cuvee' Special. All hand
crafted in individual oak barrels, aged at least six months (some two
to three years), gravity fed, hand packaged, keg Krausened during a
secondary fermentation (lactic acid bacteria) and naturally carbonated.
A few have been transferred to bottles, but most are still in the oak
barrels they were created in.

To produce these beers, I took the microbes isolated from the Cheyenne
Canyon fruit and created a cocktail of wild yeast (4 - 6 strains) and
lactic acid bacteria (6 - 8 strains) with which we inoculated the oak
barrels. Once a boil of these microbes had formed on the inside barrel
surface, we added various mixtures of uncorroborated beers (brewing
yeast fermented) to these barrels and let the wild yeast and lactic do
their thing! Honey is added at regular intervals to stimulate
Peddiococcus growth. With this style, long aging times result in
important taste changes, so storing bottles for long times and tasting
at a later date can be fun.

As to tasting any of these beers. We have one tap dedicated to S & B
and we do very limited (one or two days) releases of each type. There
is a legion of beer geeks who consume these beers ardently and none of
the beers lasts too long. Nothing is on tap currently. However, I can
think of two possible strategies 1) follow the events at Bristol
brewing on our web site and any S & B releases will be detailed and
make sure you are in the tasting room when the beer is released or 2)
working with the brew house staff we can schedule a day/time when you
will be at the brewery and we can arrange a tour and a special tasting
independent of what's on tap. I'll double check this with our
brewers, but I think it would be ok

You only hear of New Belgium because they market the heck out of their
products on a national scale and we aren't near that stage of
development yet, We will be some day I believe.
Let me know if you want to visit BBC-

Cheers-

Ken.

"Randal" > wrote in message
> Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere.

There is. The Cranberry Lambic may be a travesty, but it's been getting
consistently more authentic...as authentic as an American-brewed "lambic"
will ever be.

--
Lew Bryson

www.LewBryson.com
Author of "New York Breweries" and "Pennsylvania Breweries," 2nd ed., both
available at <www.amazon.com>
The Hotmail address on this post is for newsgroups only: I don't check it,
or respond to it. Spam away.

Can you buy the fezzewig, porter or the other specialties by themselves? I
haven't seen them.

"Randal" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
> name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
> a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
> some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
> that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
> been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
> of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
> actually really, truly, pour down the drain.
>
> I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
> but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
> Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool curved
> 22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
> bring those back.
>

Some is OK and it is a fun and good intro for new micro drinkers but I think
their inclusion of a Light (used to be Lightship) says alot about who they
are and market to.
"mpomario" > wrote in message
news:x0jvd.651664$mD.530447@attbi_s02...
>I have purchased a case so far. I wish they would exclude the Boston
>Lager
> and Light for more of the Porter or Winter Ale. I am not a big SA drinker
> but I love porters and for an American porter I like SA next to the Sierra
> Nevada.
>
>

"mpomario" > wrote in message
news:x0jvd.651664$mD.530447@attbi_s02...
> I have purchased a case so far. I wish they would exclude the Boston
Lager
> and Light for more of the Porter or Winter Ale. I am not a big SA drinker
> but I love porters and for an American porter I like SA next to the Sierra
> Nevada.
>

I enjoy a SA occasionally and would really like to try their Porter, but I
refuse to by a "light" beer.

Eugene

"mpomario" > wrote in
news:x0jvd.651664$mD.530447@attbi_s02:

> I have purchased a case so far. I wish they would exclude the Boston
> Lager and Light for more of the Porter or Winter Ale. I am not a big
> SA drinker but I love porters and for an American porter I like SA
> next to the Sierra Nevada.

Eh, SA porter wasn't bad. Pretty good stuff, but not enough of a reason
to buy the sampler for me as there's lots of other porters that I
wouldn't have to deal with a light beer or ubiquitous lager for.
--
************************************************** ***************
Dan Iwerks thinks that the beer you're drinking probably sucks.
The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
responsible for the fact that you're a complete idiot.
************************************************** ***************

Not to mention the hideous Cranberry Lambic. Yuck. Of course the lambic
name is all marketing, although this year during my customary "give it
a try" from the holiday 12 pack I thought maybe, just maybe there was
some kind of faint horsey-brett background in there somewhere. Then
that nasty fake maple taste - like a stale long john donut that has
been shat upon - washed over my palate dragging the screaming essence
of shat upon cranberry with it. Every year it's about the only beer I
actually really, truly, pour down the drain.

I really like the Fezziwig though, and I thought the Porter was nice -
but why take up space with useless light beer and ubiquitous Boston
Lager? Who knows...? They used to package Fezziwig in these cool curved
22 oz bottles (I think, may have been bigger though) - they should
bring those back.

"mpomario" > wrote in message
news:x0jvd.651664$mD.530447@attbi_s02...
> I have purchased a case so far. I wish they would exclude the Boston
Lager
> and Light for more of the Porter or Winter Ale. I am not a big SA drinker
> but I love porters and for an American porter I like SA next to the Sierra
> Nevada.
>

I enjoy a SA occasionally and would really like to try their Porter, but I
refuse to by a "light" beer.

Eugene

Some is OK and it is a fun and good intro for new micro drinkers but I think
their inclusion of a Light (used to be Lightship) says alot about who they
are and market to.
"mpomario" > wrote in message
news:x0jvd.651664$mD.530447@attbi_s02...
>I have purchased a case so far. I wish they would exclude the Boston
>Lager
> and Light for more of the Porter or Winter Ale. I am not a big SA drinker
> but I love porters and for an American porter I like SA next to the Sierra
> Nevada.
>
>

Randal ) wrote:
: No one is questioning the non-lambicness of SA cranberry lambic.
:
: What about my other post of the work being done at Bristol? Should it
: be "Methode Lambic" ?
:

No -- keep it simple and use something like "spontaneously fermented beer"
or "lambic style beer"

There is no such thing as "Methode Lambic" whereas "Methode Champenoise"
describes a specific set of techniques that can be used in the making of
Champagne or sparkling wine or even beer.

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above

Randal ) wrote:
: No one is questioning the non-lambicness of SA cranberry lambic.
:
: What about my other post of the work being done at Bristol? Should it
: be "Methode Lambic" ?
:

No -- keep it simple and use something like "spontaneously fermented beer"
or "lambic style beer"

There is no such thing as "Methode Lambic" whereas "Methode Champenoise"
describes a specific set of techniques that can be used in the making of
Champagne or sparkling wine or even beer.

--
Bill

reply to sirwill1 AT same domain as above