Hello,

I'd like to know the gallon capacity of a standard beer barrel that
pubs get in the UK. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated!

Chris

On 6 Nov 2003 03:45:53 -0800, (Chris Clancey)
wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I'd like to know the gallon capacity of a standard beer barrel that
>pubs get in the UK. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated!

Cask beer is supplied in firkins, or '9s', and kilderkins, or '18s',
holding 9 or 18 imperial gallons respectively. There are some larger
sizes but these are rarely used today. Remember that these are larger
than US gallons.

A few breweries supply in 'metric firkins' of 11 gallons - about 50
litres.

HTH, Paul
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> I'd like to know the gallon capacity of a standard beer barrel that
> pubs get in the UK. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated!


Depends if you are talking Real Ale or not.

RA typically comes in either 9 or 18 gallons.
Lagers, Guinness, etc come in a multitude of different sizes, which
are either 30, 40 or 50 or 100 Litre.


Regards,
Dave.

(Chris Clancey) wrote in message . com>...
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to know the gallon capacity of a standard beer barrel that
> pubs get in the UK. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated!
>
> Chris

if you mean old-fashioned cask beer, then it's prob most often either
a firkin - 9UK-gallon (72pint/c.41-litres) or a kilderkin - 18-gallon
(144pints/c82litres).

But the term 'barrel' to UK brewers & publicans refers specifically to
a quantity of 36-gallons.

For kegs I think the most common size is 50litres (tho older 11-gals
are still about IIRC)
cheers
MikeMcG

On 6 Nov 2003 06:50:37 -0800, (MikeMcG) wrote:
>
>But the term 'barrel' to UK brewers & publicans refers specifically to
>a quantity of 36-gallons.

True, but the British general public uses the term 'barrel' to
describe any draught beer container, cask or keg, any size - much as
in the US I suspect.

It must have been great fun working as a drayman when barrels and
hogsheads were in common use. Imagine manhandling a full barrel from a
horse drawn dray! No wonder they were completely drunk most of the
time.

Best regards, Paul

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Dave Bourke wrote:

>RA typically comes in either 9 or 18 gallons.
>Lagers, Guinness, etc come in a multitude of different sizes, which
>are either 30, 40 or 50 or 100 Litre.
>
anything over 30 litres is becoming rarer these days, because of safety
regulations...
20 litres are quite common.

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"Chris Clancey" > wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I'd like to know the gallon capacity of a standard beer barrel that
> pubs get in the UK. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated!
>
> Chris

A "proper" standard UK barrel holds 36 gallons. The next size up, a
Hogshead, holds 56 gallons! The largest is a Butt - 100 gallons!
HTH
Paul


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"Paul King" > wrote in message > ...
> "Chris Clancey" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'd like to know the gallon capacity of a standard beer barrel that
> > pubs get in the UK. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated!
> >
> > Chris

MikeMcG wrote:
>But the term 'barrel' to UK brewers & publicans refers specifically
to
>a quantity of 36-gallons.

Paul Sherwin wrote
> True, but the British general public uses the term 'barrel' to
> describe any draught beer container, cask or keg, any size - much as
> in the US I suspect.

erm, yes, that's why I wrote
"'barrel' to brewers & publicans refers to ... 36 gallons"
i.e. I was trying to imply that for beer 'barrel' has both a common
usage (any sized draught beer container) and a technical one (a
quantity of beer)

> A "proper" standard UK barrel holds 36 gallons. The next size up, a
> Hogshead, holds 56 gallons! The largest is a Butt - 100 gallons!
> HTH

I thought for beer these were all multiples of 9gal?(*)
i.e. (the ones alredy mentioned) plus Hogshead=54gal, Puncheon=72gal,
Butt=108gal, Tun=216gal?

(*)apart from the 4.5gal 'pin')

cheers
MikeMcG

BTW apologies for repeating what everyone else said - one of the
vagaries of readng & posting via google's slow usenet service.

Well, I found this -
http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~phl..._glossary.html

Look under "cask".

Kinda knocks all the arguments together

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1 hogshead

Chris Clancey wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to know the gallon capacity of a standard beer barrel that
> pubs get in the UK. If anyone could help, it would be appreciated!
>
> Chris

Mike ) wrote:
: 1 hogshead

That's just great -- now perhaps you can explain a phrase that has
mystified me since 1967:

.....dancing through a hogshead of real fire...

--
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 16:25:57 GMT, (Bill Benzel)
wrote:

>Mike ) wrote:
>: 1 hogshead
>
>That's just great -- now perhaps you can explain a phrase that has
>mystified me since 1967:
>
>....dancing through a hogshead of real fire...

And of course Henry the Horse dances the waltz!
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>: 1 hogshead
>
> That's just great -- now perhaps you can explain a phrase that has
> mystified me since 1967:
>
> ....dancing through a hogshead of real fire...


Perhaps it is like jumping thru a "ring of fire," where the ring is
a barrel!? Found this:
http://www.lyricstime.com/lyrics/23722.html

Derric > wrote in message >. ..
> >: 1 hogshead
> >
> > That's just great -- now perhaps you can explain a phrase that has
> > mystified me since 1967:
> >
> > ....dancing through a hogshead of real fire...
>
>
> Perhaps it is like jumping thru a "ring of fire," . . .

ah . . . a belated virtual one minutes silence for the man in black's passing?

then altogether -
"Love Is A Burning Thing
And It Makes A Fiery Ring
Bound By Wild Desire
I Fell Into A Ring Of Fire

I Fell Into A Burning Ring Of Fire
I Went Down, Down, Down
And The Flames Went Higher

And It Burns, Burns, Burns
The Ring Of Fire"

A Barrel is a specific size , cask or keg is the generic for a container
of cask beer, it depends where you are drinking but Holts pubs in
Manchester are known to do 36 Gallon casks( I think this a barrel) ,
some pubs with great ranges of beers stock 9 gallons casks, This is in
the UK.
AFAIK


In message >, MikeMcG
> writes
>Derric > wrote in message
> ...
>> >: 1 hogshead
>> >
>> > That's just great -- now perhaps you can explain a phrase that has
>> > mystified me since 1967:
>> >
>> > ....dancing through a hogshead of real fire...
>>
>>
>> Perhaps it is like jumping thru a "ring of fire," . . .
>
>ah . . . a belated virtual one minutes silence for the man in black's passing?
>
>then altogether -
>"Love Is A Burning Thing
>And It Makes A Fiery Ring
>Bound By Wild Desire
>I Fell Into A Ring Of Fire
>
>I Fell Into A Burning Ring Of Fire
>I Went Down, Down, Down
>And The Flames Went Higher
>
>And It Burns, Burns, Burns
>The Ring Of Fire"

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martyn dawe

"martyn dawe" > wrote in message
news
> A Barrel is a specific size , cask or keg is the generic for a container
> of cask beer, it depends where you are drinking but Holts pubs in
> Manchester are known to do 36 Gallon casks( I think this a barrel) ,
> some pubs with great ranges of beers stock 9 gallons casks, This is in
> the UK.
> AFAIK

36 Imperial Gallons is an Imperial barrel. Full, it holds 360 pounds of
water. A measurement of gravity was the "Brewer's Pound." It was the
number of pounds beyond 360 that a barrel of wort weighed. IIRC it equals
2.777 specific gravity points.

artyn dawe" > wrote in message
news
> A Barrel is a specific size , cask or keg is the generic for a container
> of cask beer, it depends where you are drinking but Holts pubs in
> Manchester are known to do 36 Gallon casks( I think this a barrel) ,
> some pubs with great ranges of beers stock 9 gallons casks, This is in
> the UK.
> AFAIK
>
>
> In message >, MikeMcG
> > writes
> >Derric > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> >: 1 hogshead
> >> >
> >> > That's just great -- now perhaps you can explain a phrase that has
> >> > mystified me since 1967:
> >> >
> >> > ....dancing through a hogshead of real fire...



a Hogshead is a large UK cask holding 63 gals of Ale.
Could this statement be interpreted as a ""session on high alcohol"


Terry B (UK)
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps it is like jumping thru a "ring of fire," . . .
> >
> >ah . . . a belated virtual one minutes silence for the man in black's
passing?
> >
> >then altogether -
> >"Love Is A Burning Thing
> >And It Makes A Fiery Ring
> >Bound By Wild Desire
> >I Fell Into A Ring Of Fire
> >
> >I Fell Into A Burning Ring Of Fire
> >I Went Down, Down, Down
> >And The Flames Went Higher
> >
> >And It Burns, Burns, Burns
> >The Ring Of Fire"
>
> --
> martyn dawe

I was messing around with a conversion website to help me with some numbers
when I remembered this strand. I guess there is a difference between US
measurements of volume and the British measurements. According to the
calculator the British Gallon is approximately 1.2 US Gallons. So is there a
possibility that this translates over to some of the stuff you guys are
doing?

You guys probably already know this but I thought I'd put in my "look what I
learned" 2 cents.

Here's the site I used:
http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/EASYvolume.html


Salud!
-Dono


"martyn dawe" > wrote in message
news
> A Barrel is a specific size , cask or keg is the generic for a container
> of cask beer, it depends where you are drinking but Holts pubs in
> Manchester are known to do 36 Gallon casks( I think this a barrel) ,
> some pubs with great ranges of beers stock 9 gallons casks, This is in
> the UK.
> AFAIK
>
>
> In message >, MikeMcG
> > writes
> >Derric > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> >: 1 hogshead
> >> >
> >> > That's just great -- now perhaps you can explain a phrase that has
> >> > mystified me since 1967:
> >> >
> >> > ....dancing through a hogshead of real fire...
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps it is like jumping thru a "ring of fire," . . .
> >
> >ah . . . a belated virtual one minutes silence for the man in black's
passing?
> >
> >then altogether -
> >"Love Is A Burning Thing
> >And It Makes A Fiery Ring
> >Bound By Wild Desire
> >I Fell Into A Ring Of Fire
> >
> >I Fell Into A Burning Ring Of Fire
> >I Went Down, Down, Down
> >And The Flames Went Higher
> >
> >And It Burns, Burns, Burns
> >The Ring Of Fire"
>
> --
> martyn dawe