Hi:

I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If not, I
would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.

I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already have a
line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2 externally
threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install a
quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install another
valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick connect.
The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have internally
threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would need some
sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.

Inside House Outside house
Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect

My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick connect
are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
...
> Hi:
>
> I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If not, I
> would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
>
> I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already have
> a
> line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> externally
> threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install a
> quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install another
> valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick connect.
> The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
> attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have internally
> threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would need
> some
> sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
>
> Inside House Outside house
> Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect
>
> My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick connect
> are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
>
>

Ask a plumber, like you should. It's one thing to save a buck asking about
shelving or bbq rubs, but when it comes to NG, you really want an expert
handling it. Usenet is quite famous for a lot of expertise by ego....

Jack

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
...
> Hi:
>
> I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If not, I
> would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
>
> I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already have
> a
> line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> externally
> threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install a
> quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install another
> valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick connect.
> The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
> attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have internally
> threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would need
> some
> sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
>
> Inside House Outside house
> Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect
>
> My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick connect
> are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
>
>

Ask a plumber, like you should. It's one thing to save a buck asking about
shelving or bbq rubs, but when it comes to NG, you really want an expert
handling it. Usenet is quite famous for a lot of expertise by ego....

Jack

Yes, I know. I'm not worried about saving money. The real question is
whether or not it is important to have an external valve.

Frank


"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi:
> >
> > I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If not,
I
> > would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
> >
> > I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already
have
> > a
> > line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> > inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> > externally
> > threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install
a
> > quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install
another
> > valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick
connect.
> > The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
> > attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have internally
> > threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would need
> > some
> > sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
> >
> > Inside House Outside house
> > Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect
> >
> > My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick
connect
> > are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
> >
> >
>
> Ask a plumber, like you should. It's one thing to save a buck asking
about
> shelving or bbq rubs, but when it comes to NG, you really want an expert
> handling it. Usenet is quite famous for a lot of expertise by ego....
>
> Jack
>
>

Yes, I know. I'm not worried about saving money. The real question is
whether or not it is important to have an external valve.

Frank


"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi:
> >
> > I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If not,
I
> > would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
> >
> > I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already
have
> > a
> > line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> > inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> > externally
> > threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install
a
> > quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install
another
> > valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick
connect.
> > The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
> > attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have internally
> > threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would need
> > some
> > sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
> >
> > Inside House Outside house
> > Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect
> >
> > My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick
connect
> > are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
> >
> >
>
> Ask a plumber, like you should. It's one thing to save a buck asking
about
> shelving or bbq rubs, but when it comes to NG, you really want an expert
> handling it. Usenet is quite famous for a lot of expertise by ego....
>
> Jack
>
>

Yes, I know. I'm not worried about saving money. The real question is
whether or not it is important to have an external valve.

Frank


"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi:
> >
> > I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If not,
I
> > would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
> >
> > I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already
have
> > a
> > line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> > inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> > externally
> > threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install
a
> > quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install
another
> > valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick
connect.
> > The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
> > attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have internally
> > threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would need
> > some
> > sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
> >
> > Inside House Outside house
> > Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect
> >
> > My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick
connect
> > are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
> >
> >
>
> Ask a plumber, like you should. It's one thing to save a buck asking
about
> shelving or bbq rubs, but when it comes to NG, you really want an expert
> handling it. Usenet is quite famous for a lot of expertise by ego....
>
> Jack
>
>

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
...
> Hi:
>
> I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If not, I
> would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
>
> I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already have
a
> line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
externally
> threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install a
> quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install another
> valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick connect.
> The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
> attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have internally
> threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would need
some
> sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
>
> Inside House Outside house
> Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect
>
> My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick connect
> are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
>
Yes a valve should be within view of the grill, all you need is the correct
diameter iron pipe nipple, I would think your local hardware will have all
you need.
BTW if you have never done any gas piping I would suggest talking to someone
with some knowledge of the subject.... you don't want to "grill" yourself
; )
Mikol



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Mikol wrote:
> "Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi:
>>
>> I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If
>> not, I
>> would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
>>
>> I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I
>> already have
> a
>> line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the
>> line
>> inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> externally
>> threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and
>> install a
>> quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install
>> another
>> valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick
>> connect.
>> The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could
>> be
>> attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have
>> internally
>> threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would
>> need
> some
>> sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
>>
>> Inside House Outside house
>> Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick
>> Connect
>>
>> My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick
>> connect
>> are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
>>
> Yes a valve should be within view of the grill, all you need is the
> correct
> diameter iron pipe nipple, I would think your local hardware will
> have all
> you need.
> BTW if you have never done any gas piping I would suggest talking to
> someone
> with some knowledge of the subject.... you don't want to "grill"
> yourself
> ; )

Agreed. The fact that the OP even asks the question and doesn't know
the names of the parts tells me that he should call a properly trained
professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>

BOB

Mikol wrote:
> "Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi:
>>
>> I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If
>> not, I
>> would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction.
>>
>> I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I
>> already have
> a
>> line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the
>> line
>> inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> externally
>> threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and
>> install a
>> quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install
>> another
>> valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick
>> connect.
>> The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could
>> be
>> attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have
>> internally
>> threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve, I would
>> need
> some
>> sort of connector between the valve and the quick connect.
>>
>> Inside House Outside house
>> Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick
>> Connect
>>
>> My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick
>> connect
>> are both internally threaded. Is the external valve necesary?
>>
> Yes a valve should be within view of the grill, all you need is the
> correct
> diameter iron pipe nipple, I would think your local hardware will
> have all
> you need.
> BTW if you have never done any gas piping I would suggest talking to
> someone
> with some knowledge of the subject.... you don't want to "grill"
> yourself
> ; )

Agreed. The fact that the OP even asks the question and doesn't know
the names of the parts tells me that he should call a properly trained
professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>

BOB

" BOB" > wrote in message
>
> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>

<<BOOM>> ???

Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?

" BOB" > wrote in message
>
> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>

<<BOOM>> ???

Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?

Duwop wrote:
> " BOB" > wrote in message
>>
>> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>>
>
> <<BOOM>> ???
>
> Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?

OK, then <<BOOM>>

BOB
heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
"ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the after
effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
using PVC parts...

Duwop wrote:
> " BOB" > wrote in message
>>
>> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>>
>
> <<BOOM>> ???
>
> Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?

OK, then <<BOOM>>

BOB
heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
"ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the after
effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
using PVC parts...

Duwop wrote:
> " BOB" > wrote in message
>>
>> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>>
>
> <<BOOM>> ???
>
> Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?

OK, then <<BOOM>>

BOB
heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
"ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the after
effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
using PVC parts...

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
>
> I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already have
> a
> line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> externally
> threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install a
> quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install another
> valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick connect.


Check the local code. You may not be allowed a quick connect fitting and
there is no reason to have one. The grill must be permanently installed,
not on wheels. There must be a valve before the union in the line. In
some areas, flex piping is not allowed, but in some earthquake prone area it
is required. Find out what you need.

If you don't know the name of the fittings, you are not qualified to work on
gas. Get help. Seriously, gas can be perfectly safe, but it can also
destroy your house. We just had one blow up here a month ago. Took it down
to the ground and seriously damaged the ones on either side of it.

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
>
> I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already have
> a
> line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on the line
> inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a 1/2
> externally
> threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove the cap and install a
> quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is necessary to install another
> valve between the termination of the outside line and the quick connect.


Check the local code. You may not be allowed a quick connect fitting and
there is no reason to have one. The grill must be permanently installed,
not on wheels. There must be a valve before the union in the line. In
some areas, flex piping is not allowed, but in some earthquake prone area it
is required. Find out what you need.

If you don't know the name of the fittings, you are not qualified to work on
gas. Get help. Seriously, gas can be perfectly safe, but it can also
destroy your house. We just had one blow up here a month ago. Took it down
to the ground and seriously damaged the ones on either side of it.

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, I know. I'm not worried about saving money. The real question is
> whether or not it is important to have an external valve.
>
> Frank

The real question is: Are you qualified to do the work. Based on your
questions, IMO, no.

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
...
> Yes, I know. I'm not worried about saving money. The real question is
> whether or not it is important to have an external valve.
>
> Frank

The real question is: Are you qualified to do the work. Based on your
questions, IMO, no.

" BOB" > wrote in message
> Duwop wrote:
> > " BOB" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
> > <<BOOM>> ???
> >
> > Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?
>
> OK, then <<BOOM>>
>
> BOB
> heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
> "ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the after
> effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
> using PVC parts...
>

I bow to the voice (sound?) of experience.

D
--

"Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote:
> "Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
> > "Frank N. Furtrer" > wrote in message
> >
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > I apologize if this is not the correct group for this question. If
> > > not, I would appreciate if someone would point me in the right
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > I am looking to install fittings for a natural gas grill. I already
> > > have a line installed out to my deck. There is a valve installed on
> > > the line inside at the source of the connection. Outside, there is a
> > > 1/2 externally threaded connector that is capped. I want to remove
> > > the cap and install a quick-connect fitting. I'm wondering if it is
> > > necessary to install another valve between the termination of the
> > > outside line and the quick connect.
> > > The quick connect has an internally threaded connector that could be
> > > attached directly to the outdoor line. The valves all have
> > > internally threaded connectors as well. If I was to install a valve,
> > > I would need some sort of connector between the valve and the quick
> > > connect.
> > >
> > > Inside House Outside house
> > > Valve--------|----Line------->>> >>Ext. Valve<< <<Quick Connect
> > >
> > > My problem is that the connections beteen the valve and the quick
> > > connect are both internally threaded. Is the external valve
> > > necesary?
> > >
> > Ask a plumber, like you should. It's one thing to save a buck asking
> > about shelving or bbq rubs, but when it comes to NG, you really want an
> > expert handling it. Usenet is quite famous for a lot of expertise by
> > ego....
> >
> Yes, I know. I'm not worried about saving money. The real question is
> whether or not it is important to have an external valve.
>
Jack Schidt gave you the correct answer, "Ask a plumber! . . . you really
want an expert handling it."

Especially since you're not worried about saving money. ;-)

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Duwop wrote:
> " BOB" > wrote in message
>> Duwop wrote:
>>> " BOB" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>>>> <<BOOM>> ???
>>>
>>> Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?
>>
>> OK, then <<BOOM>>
>>
>> BOB
>> heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
>> "ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the
>> after
>> effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
>> using PVC parts...
>>
>
> I bow to the voice (sound?) of experience.
>
> D
> --
>

It wasn't really pleasant, but no people or animals were hurt, and the
(idiot?) only had to replace a 3' X 3' section of his block wall and
his gas grill, so I guess everything turned out OK.

BOB

Duwop wrote:
> " BOB" > wrote in message
>> Duwop wrote:
>>> " BOB" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>>>> <<BOOM>> ???
>>>
>>> Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?
>>
>> OK, then <<BOOM>>
>>
>> BOB
>> heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
>> "ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the
>> after
>> effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
>> using PVC parts...
>>
>
> I bow to the voice (sound?) of experience.
>
> D
> --
>

It wasn't really pleasant, but no people or animals were hurt, and the
(idiot?) only had to replace a 3' X 3' section of his block wall and
his gas grill, so I guess everything turned out OK.

BOB

On 2-May-2005, " BOB" > wrote:

> Duwop wrote:
> > " BOB" > wrote in message
> >> Duwop wrote:
> >>> " BOB" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>> professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
> >>>> <<BOOM>> ???
> >>>
> >>> Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?
> >>
> >> OK, then <<BOOM>>
> >>
> >> BOB
> >> heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
> >> "ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the
> >> after
> >> effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
> >> using PVC parts...
> >>
> > I bow to the voice (sound?) of experience.
> >
> >
>
> It wasn't really pleasant, but no people or animals were hurt, and the
> (idiot?) only had to replace a 3' X 3' section of his block wall and
> his gas grill, so I guess everything turned out OK.
>
> BOB

Realizing that I don't know Schidt about installing gas, when I needed
to hook up my new gas kitchen stove, I called a professional gas
plumber. Luckily for me a friend of mine is a licensed gas plumber
along with a general plumbing license. A net new installation here
in Florida requires a permit and inspection by the county after the
installation is complete. Of course you can bypass the permit
process and DIY without the aid of a licensed installer. That's
actually legal at least here in Florida. But legality isn't the only
criteria. Most all insurance companies have these little caviates.
A DIY'er may just have kissed his homeowner's policy goodbye.
There may be a variance for an external application, but I rather
doubt anybody would beat the insurance company in court. I for
one am not about to test it.

Brick (Keep the shiny side up)

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Brick wrote:
> On 2-May-2005, " BOB" > wrote:
>
>
>>Duwop wrote:
>>
>>>" BOB" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>Duwop wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>" BOB" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>>>>>><<BOOM>> ???
>>>>>
>>>>>Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?
>>>>
>>>>OK, then <<BOOM>>
>>>>
>>>>BOB
>>>>heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
>>>>"ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the
>>>>after
>>>>effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
>>>>using PVC parts...
>>>>
>>>
>>>I bow to the voice (sound?) of experience.
>>>

>>
>>It wasn't really pleasant, but no people or animals were hurt, and the
>>(idiot?) only had to replace a 3' X 3' section of his block wall and
>>his gas grill, so I guess everything turned out OK.
>>
>>BOB
>
>
> Realizing that I don't know Schidt about installing gas, when I needed
> to hook up my new gas kitchen stove, I called a professional gas
> plumber. Luckily for me a friend of mine is a licensed gas plumber
> along with a general plumbing license. A net new installation here
> in Florida requires a permit and inspection by the county after the
> installation is complete. Of course you can bypass the permit
> process and DIY without the aid of a licensed installer. That's
> actually legal at least here in Florida. But legality isn't the only
> criteria. Most all insurance companies have these little caviates.
> A DIY'er may just have kissed his homeowner's policy goodbye.
> There may be a variance for an external application, but I rather
> doubt anybody would beat the insurance company in court. I for
> one am not about to test it.
>

Great advice. Anyone who thinks that the most effective legislative body
in the US is something other than the insurance companies is sadly
mistaken. They make the rules!

Matthew

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On Mon, 02 May 2005 22:20:25 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
> wrote:

>Brick wrote:
>> On 2-May-2005, " BOB" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Duwop wrote:
>>>
>>>>" BOB" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>Duwop wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>" BOB" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>professional to hook up his gas. One mistake and <<BOOM>>
>>>>>>><<BOOM>> ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not: ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*! ?
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, then <<BOOM>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BOB
>>>>>heard the boom, (wasn't close enough th hear the
>>>>>"ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst-*WHOOSH*!") then saw the
>>>>>after
>>>>>effects a few years back. The guy had actually hooked up his grill
>>>>>using PVC parts...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I bow to the voice (sound?) of experience.
>>>>

>>>

>>>BOB
>>
>>
>> Realizing that I don't know Schidt about installing gas, when I needed
>> to hook up my new gas kitchen stove, I called a professional gas
>> plumber. Luckily for me a friend of mine is a licensed gas plumber
>> along with a general plumbing license. A net new installation here
>> in Florida requires a permit and inspection by the county after the
>> installation is complete. Of course you can bypass the permit
>> process and DIY without the aid of a licensed installer. That's
>> actually legal at least here in Florida. But legality isn't the only
>> criteria. Most all insurance companies have these little caviates.
>> A DIY'er may just have kissed his homeowner's policy goodbye.
>> There may be a variance for an external application, but I rather
>> doubt anybody would beat the insurance company in court. I for
>> one am not about to test it.
>>
Here in Vacheville, a DIY is ok if you are the home owner, BUT, you
still need a permit and an inspection. Otherwise I agree, you may
have kissed your insurance Good-bye.

There was a fire in the next neighbourhood - some guy was running an
unlicensed welding shop out of his garage [couldn't have gotten a
license anyhow], and a gas tank blew]. Insurance Company denied the
claim because they had issued a Homowners' policy which does not
include Commercial Welding. The guy didn't get a dime, and was also
stuck with a serious mortgage on a vacant lot that needed a lot of
work before it could be built upon again. The City nailed him with a
hefty fine and he had to pay all the utility guys to reinstall their
services. The Insurers settled his damaged neighbours' homes.

Harry

>Great advice. Anyone who thinks that the most effective legislative body
>in the US is something other than the insurance companies is sadly
>mistaken. They make the rules!
>
>Matthew

Brick wrote:
> Realizing that I don't know Schidt about installing gas, when I
> needed
> to hook up my new gas kitchen stove, I called a professional gas
> plumber. Luckily for me a friend of mine is a licensed gas plumber
> along with a general plumbing license. A net new installation here
> in Florida requires a permit and inspection by the county after the
> installation is complete. Of course you can bypass the permit
> process and DIY without the aid of a licensed installer. That's
> actually legal at least here in Florida. But legality isn't the only
> criteria. Most all insurance companies have these little caviates.
> A DIY'er may just have kissed his homeowner's policy goodbye.
> There may be a variance for an external application, but I rather
> doubt anybody would beat the insurance company in court. I for
> one am not about to test it.
>
> Brick (Keep the shiny side up)


Excellent post, Howard. It stands by itself, without any of the
previous discussion.
Like MLM says in his response, insurance companies *do* write lots of
the rules.

BOB

BOB wrote:
> Brick wrote:
>
>>Realizing that I don't know Schidt about installing gas, when I
>>needed
>>to hook up my new gas kitchen stove, I called a professional gas
>>plumber. Luckily for me a friend of mine is a licensed gas plumber
>>along with a general plumbing license. A net new installation here
>>in Florida requires a permit and inspection by the county after the
>>installation is complete. Of course you can bypass the permit
>>process and DIY without the aid of a licensed installer. That's
>>actually legal at least here in Florida. But legality isn't the only
>>criteria. Most all insurance companies have these little caviates.
>>A DIY'er may just have kissed his homeowner's policy goodbye.
>>There may be a variance for an external application, but I rather
>>doubt anybody would beat the insurance company in court. I for
>>one am not about to test it.
>>
>>Brick (Keep the shiny side up)
>
>
>
> Excellent post, Howard. It stands by itself, without any of the
> previous discussion.
> Like MLM says in his response, insurance companies *do* write lots of
> the rules.
>
> BOB
>
>
Yup. Around here (Poughkeepsie, NY) most anything you do that alters a
structure, electric, gas, etc requires a permit and follow-up
inspection. I think that we currently have about 9 c.o. certs for our
house. Hell, they even made me get one for the wooden storage shed. Go
figure...

The other factor other than insurance is selling the residence. When
it's inspected for sale if there have been changes made that aren't on
record and inspected they can, and most probably will, make your life
extremely stressful. The guy we bought this place from had put in a 24'
above ground pool and deck with no permits/inspections. They made his
life total hell for about 3 months.

--
Steve

On 4-May-2005, " BOB" > wrote:

> Brick wrote:
> > Realizing that I don't know Schidt about installing gas, when I
> > needed
> > to hook up my new gas kitchen stove, I called a professional gas
> > plumber. Luckily for me a friend of mine is a licensed gas plumber
> > along with a general plumbing license. A net new installation here
> > in Florida requires a permit and inspection by the county after the
> > installation is complete. Of course you can bypass the permit
> > process and DIY without the aid of a licensed installer. That's
> > actually legal at least here in Florida. But legality isn't the only
> > criteria. Most all insurance companies have these little caviates.
> > A DIY'er may just have kissed his homeowner's policy goodbye.
> > There may be a variance for an external application, but I rather
> > doubt anybody would beat the insurance company in court. I for
> > one am not about to test it.
> >
> > Brick (Keep the shiny side up)
>
>
> Excellent post, Howard. It stands by itself, without any of the
> previous discussion.
> Like MLM says in his response, insurance companies *do* write lots of
> the rules.
>
> BOB

Your couldn't have made a more succinct statement BOB. The original
'National Electric Code which was adopted lock stock and barrel by
OSHA along about 1958 was originally the Insurance Companies
Fire Protection Code. The wise man will treat it like a sore dick. Don't
**** with it. You could lose everything you own without recourse in
the courts.
--
The Brick® said that ( Keep the shiny side up )

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