ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are considering
every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to offer but in
particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would have in the
kitchen to facilitate the same.

I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about a
grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened in?
covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully accepted,

Lee

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
> considering every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to
> offer but in particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would
> have in the kitchen to facilitate the same.
>
> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about
> a grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened
> in? covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully
> accepted,
>
> Lee
>

Building from a blank piece of paper sure allows for a lot of customizing.
Unfortunately, it is easy to get carried away and end up with a design that
would cost 10X your budget.

I'd start with energy efficiency and comfort. I'd use ICF's rather than
stick build. That type of construction greatly reduces heat and cooling
needs and makes for a very quiet house While two story houses are better in
some respects, as we get older a one story would be the focus.

Kitchen would be one of the big rooms with lots of goodies, a deck outside,
covered and screened. Depending on climate, the outdoor cooking area would
include built in cook top or grill and storage. In a warm climate, I'd
consider an outdoor oven too, as well as running water. We use the window
over the sink as the "pass through" when clearing the table on the deck.
I'd definitely have some simple way of doing that to keep the distance short
and easy.

we have agreed one story only as it is what we had and we have no desire for
stairs. energy and low to maintain are on the list, the blank paper does
get carried away thats for sure, but i figure i can always drop to fit the
budget, but if i remember it a day late i will just cry and whine, Lee
thanks btw
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
>> considering every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to
>> offer but in particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you
>> would have in the kitchen to facilitate the same.
>>
>> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about
>> a grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items,
>> screened in? covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are
>> gratefully accepted,
>>
>> Lee
>>
>
> Building from a blank piece of paper sure allows for a lot of customizing.
> Unfortunately, it is easy to get carried away and end up with a design
> that would cost 10X your budget.
>
> I'd start with energy efficiency and comfort. I'd use ICF's rather than
> stick build. That type of construction greatly reduces heat and cooling
> needs and makes for a very quiet house While two story houses are better
> in some respects, as we get older a one story would be the focus.
>
> Kitchen would be one of the big rooms with lots of goodies, a deck
> outside, covered and screened. Depending on climate, the outdoor cooking
> area would include built in cook top or grill and storage. In a warm
> climate, I'd consider an outdoor oven too, as well as running water. We
> use the window over the sink as the "pass through" when clearing the table
> on the deck. I'd definitely have some simple way of doing that to keep the
> distance short and easy.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
> considering every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to
> offer but in particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would
> have in the kitchen to facilitate the same.
>
> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about
> a grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened
> in? covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully
> accepted,
>
> Lee
I'm sure you will get some good advice on cooking area construction, but I
have a little different suggestion for you. It pertains to your hot water
plumbing. I used this in a house we had built ten years ago, and it has
really been worthwhile.

Instead of having your hot water plumbing go from the water heater to the
bathroom, to the kitchen, to another bathroom, etc. try this arrangement.
Pipe from heater to each hot water outlet in series (not parallel), and then
from the last outlet, back to the water heater. In other words, create a
loop for the hot water.

On the water heater, install a small circulation pump that keeps pumping hot
water through the plumbing and back to the heater. That way when you turn
on any faucet, even the faucet farthest from the heater, there will be hot
water there without having to wait for it. It also saves water by not
having to run it until it gets hot.

Have the electric pump that is located on the water heater put on a switched
circuit so that you can turn it off when hot water won't be used for some
time, for example at night or when gone for the day.

Bob-tx

this is above my brain grade but i am sure dh will understand it so i will
thank you and save it for him, Lee
"Bob-tx" <No Spam no contact> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
>> considering every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to
>> offer but in particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you
>> would have in the kitchen to facilitate the same.
>>
>> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about
>> a grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items,
>> screened in? covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are
>> gratefully accepted,
>>
>> Lee
> I'm sure you will get some good advice on cooking area construction, but I
> have a little different suggestion for you. It pertains to your hot water
> plumbing. I used this in a house we had built ten years ago, and it has
> really been worthwhile.
>
> Instead of having your hot water plumbing go from the water heater to the
> bathroom, to the kitchen, to another bathroom, etc. try this arrangement.
> Pipe from heater to each hot water outlet in series (not parallel), and
> then from the last outlet, back to the water heater. In other words,
> create a loop for the hot water.
>
> On the water heater, install a small circulation pump that keeps pumping
> hot water through the plumbing and back to the heater. That way when you
> turn on any faucet, even the faucet farthest from the heater, there will
> be hot water there without having to wait for it. It also saves water by
> not having to run it until it gets hot.
>
> Have the electric pump that is located on the water heater put on a
> switched circuit so that you can turn it off when hot water won't be used
> for some time, for example at night or when gone for the day.
>
> Bob-tx
>
>
>

Storrmmee wrote:
>
> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are considering
> every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to offer but in
> particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would have in the
> kitchen to facilitate the same.
>
> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about a
> grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened in?
> covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully accepted,
>
> Lee

Absolutely, positively include an old fashioned style walk in pantry
with lots of shelving that is conveniently located to be accessible from
both the indoor and outdoor cooking areas.

thanks, Lee
"Pete C." > wrote in message
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>
> Storrmmee wrote:
>>
>> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
>> considering
>> every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to offer but
>> in
>> particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would have in the
>> kitchen to facilitate the same.
>>
>> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about
>> a
>> grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened
>> in?
>> covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully
>> accepted,
>>
>> Lee
>
> Absolutely, positively include an old fashioned style walk in pantry
> with lots of shelving that is conveniently located to be accessible from
> both the indoor and outdoor cooking areas.

Storrmmee wrote:
> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are considering
> every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to offer but in
> particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would have in the
> kitchen to facilitate the same.
>
> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about a
> grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened in?
> covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully accepted,
>
> Lee
>
>
>
Make sure you have cable (TV), phone, speakers, and CAT5 available for
outdoor use. You won't regret it!

dh and i just discussed this very thing, while we have never had cabel, and
currently work on dsl and cell phones, we were discussing for salability and
future options, thanks, Lee
"L G" > wrote in message
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> Storrmmee wrote:
>> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
>> considering
>> every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to offer but
>> in
>> particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would have in the
>> kitchen to facilitate the same.
>>
>> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about
>> a
>> grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened
>> in?
>> covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully
>> accepted,
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
> Make sure you have cable (TV), phone, speakers, and CAT5 available for
> outdoor use. You won't regret it!

Storrmmee wrote:
> dh and i just discussed this very thing, while we have never had cabel, and
> currently work on dsl and cell phones, we were discussing for salability and
> future options, thanks, Lee
> "L > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Storrmmee wrote:
>>
>>> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
>>> considering
>>> every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to offer but
>>> in
>>> particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would have in the
>>> kitchen to facilitate the same.
>>>
>>> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what about
>>> a
>>> grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items, screened
>>> in?
>>> covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully
>>> accepted,
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Make sure you have cable (TV), phone, speakers, and CAT5 available for
>> outdoor use. You won't regret it!
>>
>
>
It's easy and cheap to do when you are building a house. A PITA later!

exactly, is also why its a walkin shower in one bath and wider doors,
cheaper if you do it as original install, Lee
"L G" > wrote in message
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> Storrmmee wrote:
>> dh and i just discussed this very thing, while we have never had cabel,
>> and
>> currently work on dsl and cell phones, we were discussing for salability
>> and
>> future options, thanks, Lee
>> "L > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Storrmmee wrote:
>>>
>>>> ok, now we are at the point of designing the house where we are
>>>> considering
>>>> every little aspect. i am interested in anything you want to offer but
>>>> in
>>>> particular the outdoor cooking part along with what you would have in
>>>> the
>>>> kitchen to facilitate the same.
>>>>
>>>> I know i want a particular el. smoker so i can operate it, but what
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> grill, and what about a place to store/use these outdoor items,
>>>> screened
>>>> in?
>>>> covered patio? uncovered patio and so on, any ideas are gratefully
>>>> accepted,
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Make sure you have cable (TV), phone, speakers, and CAT5 available for
>>> outdoor use. You won't regret it!
>>>
>>
>>
> It's easy and cheap to do when you are building a house. A PITA later!