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Date: 2004-01-27 15:24:21 PST
at: alt.food.barbecue
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Subject: I'm fed up with this jackass

I posted the following at thread count number 7:

"<snip>

A Book of Food
by Morton P. Shand
(NY : Knopf, 1928)

Sentimental Vegetarianism (page 160)

The Sentimental Vegetarians are the most numerous and illogical of the
different sects of dietetic vegetarians, quasi-vegetarians,
frutarians, nutarians and the raw vegetable nourishment stalwarts. If
the pretensions of the sentimental vegetarians are to be taken seriously,
not only must humanity forgo all animal foods, including milk and
eggs, from ethical motives, but true to the essentially democratic principal
of "sois mon frere, ou je te tu," every single race of mankind should be
constrained -- by force of arms failing peaceful persuasion, since the
offence is greater in the eating than in the killing -- to abstain
from meat nourishment for all eternity.

After making the world safe for vegetarianism, the next step would be
the organization of armed, vegetarianized, humanity (or vegetarianized
armed humanity - it does not matter which, but propagandists would
declare there was a world of difference) to prevent non-carnivorous animals
being devoured by carnivorous, and to put a stop to the outrage of
carnivorous animals preying on each other."

Shortly after January 27, 2004. I noticed that my posts to all the
newsgroups were not getting onto the usenet.

At first I suspected a computer problem. I work with pretty much junk
computers, an ISP that costs all of $55 per year, etc.

Yet somehow I knew that the problem wasn't a computer glitch. So while
Googling around the Google home page, I found:
I wrote them with the following:

From: Mark Preston >
Subject: Posts not posting.
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:19:49 -0800 (PST)

For weeks now, none of my posts to:

rec.food.cooking
rec.food.preserving
rec.food.historic
rec.food.sourdough

rec.heraldry

sci.bio.food-science

alt.food.barbecue
alt.food.mexican-cooking

uk.food+drink.misc

have been posted. The page asking for my email and password has accepted
those values. Those being the same I have used with Google/Deja since
1995. Am I blacklisted or something? I rarely flame . . . I know you are
reading this and saying "OH YEAH" but, it true. In the 8 plus years of
positng I've flamed only at one other poster.

what gives?

Mark Preston
(address and phone number snipped)

Here is the response I received:

Hi Mark,

Thank you for your note. Your posting account has been placed on hold due
to excessive complaints from other Usenet users. Following is an example
of these complaints:

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From: (Mark Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.food.barbecue
Subject: Call_1-888-VEG-FOOD_for_a_free_vegetarian_starter_kit
Date: 27 Jan 2004 15:23:12 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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References: >
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1075245792 7485 127.0.0.1 (27 Jan 2004
23:23:12 GMT)
X-Complaints-To:
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:23:12 +0000 (UTC)
Xref: uni-berlin.de alt.food.barbecue:64806
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Please review the Google Terms of Service and Posting Frequently asked
Questions for an overview of Google Posting Standards.

Posting Terms
http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_terms.html

Posting Style
http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html

Regards,
The Google Team

To which I replied:

From: Mark Preston >
Subject: [#7971364] Posts not posting.
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:15:36 -0800 (PST)

Dear Googlers:

Please understand, that without knowing the specifics of who complained,
(vegetarians for example), I can't possibly know how to deal with my
removal from the Usenet.

If the complainers are complaining about something specific, please
tell me which news group or groups. I don't want their names, but if
the are vegetarians, please read below.

I must have enough information, because, I think it is possible that
people, vegetarians especially, could be forwarding my original post to
groups of vegetarians, asking them to complain. As I can't remove the
post, (and somewhat, in the spirit of free speech) don't want to, I
need to understand very specifically what is required here. If I can't
determine where the offense is, it is likely to be repeated. You know,
at least in American jurisprudence, one as a right to be faced with
one's accusers. Should so-called cyberspace be different? Due to the
inability to determine where and what the fault is, I would like an
email contact with you people. Let me know what you think "fair" is.

replied:


Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:24:57 -0800
From:
To: "Mark Preston" >
Subject: [#7971364] Posts not posting.

Thank you for your note. With regards to the types of complaints that
we received, we provided an example in our first email, a post to
alt.food.barbecue.

If you are unclear on the rules of posting, please refer to our posting
terms at http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_terms.html .
We're sorry we can't be of further assistance in this matter.

With regards to posting while blocked, those posts that were made
during that time were lost. You will need to repost those messages if
they do not appear in the archives. We are in the process of unblocking
your account. You should be able to post again shortly.

Regards,
The Google Team

The so-called "animal rights" movement, now in the same heat as the blacks
during the US civil rights movement is out of balance.

By the bye: I had posted my bit about vegetarianism to rec.food.veg a
year or more ago. Nobody ever posted a response.

Obviously, free speech is of much less importance to these people than
self-serving posts, attacking meat, bbq, wherever else they post OT.

Thoughtful comments welcome.

Yours,

Mark Preston
in Cyber-Space "limbo".