The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
pix are long gone.

I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
group.


Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
If you want discussion go ahead and add some
-miket

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:13:28 GMT, "MikeT"
> wrote:

>The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
>Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
>The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
>view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
>pix are long gone.

There is a reason why binary groups expire quickly: binaries take up
a lot of server space. What you are proposing could result in AFB
expiring more quickly on lots of servers.

>I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
>group.

Binaries don't belong in non-binary groups. Period.
>
>Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.

Whuh? WTH is "the top of this thread"? And why would you want to wade
through a bazillion posts titled YES and NO?

>If you want discussion go ahead and add some

Oh, gee. Thanks for granting permission.


--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Anything, when cooked in large enough batches, will be vile."
--Dag Right-square-bracket-gren, in alt.religion.kibology

In article >,
Kevin S. Wilson > wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:13:28 GMT, "MikeT"
> wrote:
>
>>I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
>>group.
>
>Binaries don't belong in non-binary groups. Period.

Ditto. Don't post binaries here.

--
Mark Shaw contact info at homepage --> http://www.panix.com/~mshaw
================================================== ======================
"There are 10 types of people in the world: those who can
count in binary, and those who cannot." -unknown

MikeT wrote:
>
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
> The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
> view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
> pix are long gone.
>
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
> group.
>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket


I'm a new poster here, but have been lurking for a few weeks and
(hopefully :-) have a good about the group and it's personalities.

Personally, I think it's a bad idea to post binaries to a non-binary
group (only a small portion of the alt hierarchy is binary). I access
Usenet from a couple of different sources, some of which tolerate
binaries and some of which don't. For example, right now I'm using a
Supernews account that specifically doesn't include any binary groups
(it's quite a bit cheaper than one that does). If this groups started
including binaries, at best I wouldn't get the images, but at worst
Supernews might start considering this a binary group and drop it from
their non-binary service. Google also doesn't archive or support
binaries, so anyone who posts from Google would be left out.

Top posting is also evil, but it's probably not a good idea to resurrect
that thread right now ;-)

Alan

In article <cfjIb.237968$_M.1048976@attbi_s54>,
PAM says...
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
> The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
> view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
> pix are long gone.
>
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
> group.
>
>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket
>
>
>
>

So you'ld like to see the retention in this group become as
low as the binary groups?

Binaries to text groups usually get blocked by news service
providers. Your binary posts would not be seen by most
people. Repeated posting of binaries to text groups may be
considered abuse by your news service and get your account
terminated.

My news provider says, " Alt.binaries.food has 6810
articles, and 63.6 days of retention, alt.food.barbecue has
21984 articles, and 284.5 days of retention."

Maybe you should get a better news provider.

Bill

MikeT wrote:

> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
> The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
> view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
> pix are long gone.
>
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
> group.
>

Yes, I do object to posting of binaries on a non-binary group.

>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket
>
>
>

Yes I object.

It's probably your news provider, the retention mine provides is only 24-48
hours for ALL binary groups. Blech. Then again, I won't die if I dont see
something, or can always ask for a repost.
I'm against as well, sorry.

D
--

Yes, I object.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:13:28 GMT, "MikeT"
> wrote:

>The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
>Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
>The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
>view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
>pix are long gone.
>
>I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
>group.
>
>
>Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
>If you want discussion go ahead and add some
>-miket
>
>


Hell no that's what the binary groups are for.....

Try using a site that archives the binary groups or a pay service and
you can see what you need. Try this:

http://www.usenet-replayer.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And again, "NO"

The retention time is a function of the policies of YOUR SELECTED news
provider. Attempting to solve the problem(s) that you have with your
selected provider by impacting every other reader of this newsgroup is
rather selfish, not to say impractical.

Why so? Most news providers do not go out of their way to cater to
usenet, regarding it as a sort of mysterious burden they have to
assume. If you transform a non-binary group into a binary group they
will eventually respond to the increased resources consumed and the
retention will fall in line with their treatment of other binaries
groups. For those readers whose ISP or news provider do not carry
binary groups as a matter of policy, they will eventually conclude
that afb is a binaries group and drop it. In "solving" your problem
you make it more likely that others will lose access to afb altogether
or force them to do what you should do. Get a different news
provider.

That said, you are always free to propose changes to the group's
charter and there are sanctioned means to do so

$0.02 (top-posted only because you so requested...)

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:13:28 GMT, "MikeT"
> wrote:

>The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
>Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
>The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
>view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
>pix are long gone.
>
>I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
>group.
>
>
>Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
>If you want discussion go ahead and add some
>-miket
>
>

MikeT wrote:
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
> The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
> view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
> pix are long gone.
>
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
> group.
>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket

Yes, I object to posting binaries in a non-binary newsgroup. Get
addicted or get a better newsgroup provider.

ObBBQ: 8 rolled racks of BRITU on the WSM right now. Weather outside is
in the low 50's and overcast. Temp is stabilized at 225. Depending on
how good they look coming out, I *may* post pics to ABF.

--
Aloha,

Nathan Lau
San Jose, CA

#include <std.disclaimer>

Nathan your hardcore got to love ya bud !!

"MikeT" >
<drivelpurge>

No. Binaries don't belong here.

Thank you.

TK

--
Cogito ergo bibo

"MikeT" > wrote in message
news:cfjIb.237968$_M.1048976@attbi_s54...
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
>
>>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes
or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket
>
>
>

While it's obvious the current afb denizens are overwhelmingly against
having binaries posted here, there is one additional argument I haven't seen
made that is probably relevant.

Now that I have a broadband connection I'll go to a binaries group without
hesitation. But if I had a 56Kb (or slower) dial-up, I wouldn't likely
spend any time on a binaries group. And if I went to a non-binaries group,
clicked on a message and a giant download started I would be, shall we say,
chagrined.

--
TFM3

Note: Spam-resistant e-mail address

"Thomas Mooney" > wrote in message
...
> While it's obvious the current afb denizens are overwhelmingly against
> having binaries posted here, there is one additional argument I haven't
seen
> made that is probably relevant.
>
> Now that I have a broadband connection I'll go to a binaries group without
> hesitation. But if I had a 56Kb (or slower) dial-up, I wouldn't likely
> spend any time on a binaries group. And if I went to a non-binaries
group,
> clicked on a message and a giant download started I would be, shall we
say,
> chagrined.
===

Don't forget the fact that if I send a binary to this group, it simply never
arrives. It's *NOT* a binary NG. Simple answer to a simple problem.

TFM®

TFM® > wrote in message
m...
>
> Don't forget the fact that if I send a binary to this group, it simply
never
> arrives. It's *NOT* a binary NG. Simple answer to a simple problem.
>
> TFM®

Dunno. It hasn't seemed to be an impediment to the folks posting viruses
masquerading as porographic screen-savers. Those would have to be
considered binaries.

Perhaps the news server one attaches to can (but doesn't necessarily)
exercise some control.

Like I said at the outset - Dunno. (Pretty much sums up my entire take I
just about everything - "I don't know".)

--
TFM3 (I do know that I'm not The Fat Man®)

Note: Spam-resistant e-mail address

"Thomas Mooney" wrote

<snip>

> Perhaps the news server one attaches to can (but doesn't necessarily)
> exercise some control.

<snip some more>

You have that right Thomas. Some follow stringent rules. Others
just don't bother. Airnews is so parochial you'd think they
are apprenticed to the Pope, while DirecWay doesn't know what
control means.

M&M Means

"MikeT" > wrote in
news:cfjIb.237968$_M.1048976@attbi_s54:

NO!!!!

<snip>

>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of
> Yes or No. If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket
>
>

Despite a lot of misuse, there are rules of etiquette for
the various newsgroups. Lengthy text threads in binary
groups are taboo, but it's done anyway. Binaries in
dedicated discussion groupls (text) is worse. Abuse of
a group charter for personal benefit is not in the best
interest of all users. Therefore it should not be done.
Retention time is a problem for casual surfers. No doubt
about it.

Abusers of usenet should be aware that some of the major
newsgroup providers adhere to a stringent policy of
acceptable use. Acceptable use is monitored by dozens
of accredited administrators around the world. A rmgroup
post by any one of them can cause a newsgroup to be
blacklisted for cause. Each ISP will then treat that
blackball according to its' own whim. My primary ISP,
Airnews will not carry AFB because it's been rmgrouped
for lack of published charter. For that reason I subscribed
to Teranews for ABF only. Retention is a few days at best,
but it's free.

M&M Man

"Howard R. Bricker" > wrote in
2.208:

<snip>

Retention is a few days at best,
> but it's free.
>
> M&M Man
>

Earliest post today on Teranews/ABF is Dec 26, 2003. There's
a couple of hundred posts showing.

M&M Man

In article <Xns946266FA5C870hrbrickerdirecwaycom@
206.66.12.208>, says...
>
<snip>

> Airnews will not carry AFB because it's been rmgrouped
> for lack of published charter. For that reason I subscribed
> to Teranews for ABF only. Retention is a few days at best,
> but it's free.
>
> M&M Man
>

Airnews won't carry an alt* group for lack of a published
charter?

Boggle!

Bill

Bill > wrote in
:

> In article <Xns946266FA5C870hrbrickerdirecwaycom@
> 206.66.12.208>, says...
>>
> <snip>
>
>> Airnews will not carry AFB because it's been rmgrouped
>> for lack of published charter. For that reason I subscribed
>> to Teranews for ABF only. Retention is a few days at best,
>> but it's free.
>>
>> M&M Man
>>
>
> Airnews won't carry an alt* group for lack of a published
> charter?
>
> Boggle!
>
> Bill
>

That's a fact Bill. There are actually rules published for
the administration of usenet and some ISP's follow them. The
initiation of a new group requires the publication of a new
group post including a description, charter and probable
traffic figures. The newgroup post for ABF has been lost in the
computer jungle and cannot be found.

M&M Man

In article <Xns9462ED590651Bhrbrickerdirecwaycom@
206.66.12.204>, says...
> Bill > wrote in
> :
>
>
<snip>
> >
> > Airnews won't carry an alt* group for lack of a published
> > charter?
> >
> > Boggle!
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
> That's a fact Bill. There are actually rules published for
> the administration of usenet and some ISP's follow them. The
> initiation of a new group requires the publication of a new
> group post including a description, charter and probable
> traffic figures. The newgroup post for ABF has been lost in the
> computer jungle and cannot be found.
>
> M&M Man
>

From the alt.binaries.food cmsg

at ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/alt/

<snip>

"From usenet Fri May 16 22:03:17 2003
From: "Brian Reid" >
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.binaries.food
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.binaries.food
Approved: "Brian Reid" >
Control: newgroup alt.binaries.food
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
Message-ID: >
Date: 8 Apr 2003 16:55:49 -0500
Lines: 21
X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com -
http://www.newsfeeds.com
X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor
support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings.
X-Report: Please report abuse to >
Organization: Posted Via Newsfeeds.com =
SPEED+RETENTION+COMPLETION = http://www.newsfeeds.com
Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!
cyclone.bc.net!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!corp-
goliath.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail
Xref: shelby.stanford.edu control.newgroup:204299

**** THIS IS A BOOSTER ****
A prior newgroup message was sent.

For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.food Binary food posts

Charter:
In the good old days when I created alt, no charters were
ever needed.

That worked well then and should work well now.

This booster is an
attempt to fix an error in the creation of this ng in that
isc.org had
problems over the years and did not archive the control but
did archive
the rm's. "


Maybe you could show that to Airnews and get them to add
it.

Bill

Bill > wrote in
:

> In article <Xns9462ED590651Bhrbrickerdirecwaycom@
> 206.66.12.204>, says...
>> Bill > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>
> <snip>
>> >
>> > Airnews won't carry an alt* group for lack of a published
>> > charter?
>> >
>> > Boggle!
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>>
>> That's a fact Bill. There are actually rules published for
>> the administration of usenet and some ISP's follow them. The
>> initiation of a new group requires the publication of a new
>> group post including a description, charter and probable
>> traffic figures. The newgroup post for ABF has been lost in the
>> computer jungle and cannot be found.
>>
>> M&M Man
>>
>
> From the alt.binaries.food cmsg
>
> at ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/alt/
>
> <snip>
>
> "From usenet Fri May 16 22:03:17 2003
> From: "Brian Reid" >
> Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.binaries.food
> Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.binaries.food
> Approved: "Brian Reid" >
> Control: newgroup alt.binaries.food
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
> Message-ID: >
> Date: 8 Apr 2003 16:55:49 -0500
> Lines: 21
> X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com -
> http://www.newsfeeds.com
> X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor
> support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings.
> X-Report: Please report abuse to >
> Organization: Posted Via Newsfeeds.com =
> SPEED+RETENTION+COMPLETION = http://www.newsfeeds.com
> Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!
> cyclone.bc.net!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!corp-
> goliath.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail
> Xref: shelby.stanford.edu control.newgroup:204299
>
> **** THIS IS A BOOSTER ****
> A prior newgroup message was sent.
>
> For your newsgroups file:
> alt.binaries.food Binary food posts
>
> Charter:
> In the good old days when I created alt, no charters were
> ever needed.
>
> That worked well then and should work well now.
>
> This booster is an
> attempt to fix an error in the creation of this ng in that
> isc.org had
> problems over the years and did not archive the control but
> did archive
> the rm's. "
>
>
> Maybe you could show that to Airnews and get them to add
> it.
>
> Bill
>
>

Thanks Bill. I didn't know how to post a booster and of
course I have no credibility with the recognized admins
anyway.

M&M Man

MikeT wrote:
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of
> PORN groups. The pix folks post of their food porn only last long
> enough for the addicts to view them. When us reformed (or
> non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful pix are long gone.
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures
> to this group.

Damn, there's always someone who wants to go against the grain. This is a
NON-binary group; keep it that way.
--
-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry

"MikeT" > wrote in message
news:cfjIb.237968$_M.1048976@attbi_s54...
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN
groups.
> The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the
addicts to
> view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the
beautiful
> pix are long gone.
>
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to
this
> group.
>
>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes
or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket
>
>
>

Not only no, but f*ck no.

Jack

In article > , "Jack
Schidt®" > wrote:


> Not only no, but f*ck no.
>

I vote:
no
nein
nay
non
not
nyet
nope
uh-uh
negatory good buddy
ain't broke...don't fix it
and
it's a really retarded idea, ya big goof

monroe(keep the binaries in binaryland)

Happy New Year Monroe

Another quality post.

Graeme (Nae Chance)
"Monroe, of course..." > wrote in message
...
> In article > , "Jack
> Schidt®" > wrote:
>
>
> > Not only no, but f*ck no.
> >
>
> I vote:
> no
> nein
> nay
> non
> not
> nyet
> nope
> uh-uh
> negatory good buddy
> ain't broke...don't fix it
> and
> it's a really retarded idea, ya big goof
>
> monroe(keep the binaries in binaryland)

Graeme... in London wrote:
> Happy New Year Monroe
>
> Another quality post.
>
> Graeme (Nae Chance)
> "Monroe, of course..." > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article > , "Jack
>> Schidt®" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Not only no, but f*ck no.
>>>
>>
>> I vote:
>> no
>> nein
>> nay
>> non
>> not
>> nyet
>> nope
>> uh-uh
>> negatory good buddy
>> ain't broke...don't fix it
>> and
>> it's a really retarded idea, ya big goof
>>
>> monroe(keep the binaries in binaryland)

Graeme, rarely does monroe fail to make me laugh...and Miranda the Barbecue
Widow, whose presence I have missed for some lengthy time now, is a major
treat too.
It's personalities that make for a good ng, even if we bicker occasionally.
Jack Curry

In the original post he asked to answer the following survey:

I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to
this group.

I answered and I think some others also answered YES as in yes I object.

Many others have answered NO and also explained NO binaries in a
non-binary group.

I hope he does not get confused and think that cause there were allot of
NO's and ignore the explanations, that the NO means does not object.

Happy Q'en,
BBQ

> ...and Miranda the Barbecue
> Widow, whose presence I have missed for some lengthy time now, is a major
> treat too.

Speaking of Miranda...

.... where have all of the women gone that once posted on this group? In
addition to Miranda, I particularly miss Ginger's contributions.

Come back, ladies. We promise to work on that toilet seat thing that annoys
you so much.

--
TFM3

Note: Spam-resistant e-mail address

In article m>,
"Graeme... in London" > wrote:

> Happy New Year Monroe
>
> Another quality post.
>
> Graeme (Nae Chance)

And back atcher-Hey! it's already '04 where you are!
Cork popping time!

monroe(happy drunken new year)

No

MikeT wrote:
>
> The expiration time on Alt.Binaries.Food is preposterous.
> Being an alt.binaries group, it gets lumped in with the handfuls of PORN groups.
> The pix folks post of their food porn only last long enough for the addicts to
> view them. When us reformed (or non-admitted) addicts get there the beautiful
> pix are long gone.
>
> I would like to see if there is objection to posting of BBQ Pictures to this
> group.
>
> Please reply to the top of this thread with a simple subject line of Yes or No.
> If you want discussion go ahead and add some
> -miket

I have read all the replies to date.
A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and heard.
Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to ABF.
(change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is archiving
posted binaries.)



The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
This is something not easily done in most voting situations.


The question asked if there was objection.

Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can go here.
Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No binaries allowed.


Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.

Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.

A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a "NO"
response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However, they, too, made
points that would seem that they object to binaries in this group.

Actual Results are a mess.
I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have been
declared invalid.

-miket

"MikeT" > wrote in
news:Mk5Jb.720148$Tr4.1819935@attbi_s03:

> I have read all the replies to date.
> A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and
> heard. Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to
> ABF. (change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is
> archiving posted binaries.)
>
>
>
> The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
> Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
> This is something not easily done in most voting situations.
>
>
> The question asked if there was objection.
>
> Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can
> go here. Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No
> binaries allowed.
>
>
> Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
> However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.
>
> Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.
>
> A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a
> "NO" response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However,
> they, too, made points that would seem that they object to binaries in
> this group.
>
> Actual Results are a mess.
> I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
> Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have
> been declared invalid.
>
> -miket
>
>

Mike, most people here understand that there are two types of
newsgroups. There are discussion groups like this one and then
there are binary groups for the posting of executables and
pictures. This is not citizens band for all that it may seem
to be. Despite the level of contamination that does exist in the
altl* hierarchy, there is strong resistance to actually destroying
it. Which is what would probably happen if the contamination
was allowed to cross the structure lines.

M&M Man

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:12:44 GMT, "MikeT"
> wrote:

>I have read all the replies to date.
>A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and heard.
>Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to ABF.
>(change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is archiving
>posted binaries.)
>
>
>
>The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
>Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
>This is something not easily done in most voting situations.
>
>
>The question asked if there was objection.
>
>Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can go here.
>Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No binaries allowed.
>
>
>Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
>However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.
>
>Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.
>
>A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a "NO"
>response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However, they, too, made
>points that would seem that they object to binaries in this group.
>
>Actual Results are a mess.
>I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
>Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have been
>declared invalid.
>
>-miket
>

Guilty as charged. Kind of embarrassing as I live in Texas where the
purposeful obscuring of the purpose and effect of ballot measures by
our esteemed legislature is a minor art form. Triple negatives,
anyone? Fortunately, they have not yet passed a measure that permits
them to do as they please if everyone votes against a proposition.
Thus the reflex to vote no automatically; absent a very strong reason
to do otherwise.

And thank you for the honesty to recognize that the commentary
probably reflects the sentiment of the voter more accurately than the
(IMO) backwards proposition. Another difference from "real" politics.

It's a moot point for me--my ISP strips binaries from non-binary groups,
anyway.


"B.Server" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 03:12:44 GMT, "MikeT"
> > wrote:
>
> >I have read all the replies to date.
> >A resounding feeling of no binaries to this group has been sent and
heard.
> >Also provided were suggestions of where to get the old posts to ABF.
> >(change news providers came up a few times as did a site which is
archiving
> >posted binaries.)
> >
> >
> >
> >The wording that I used caused confusion as to respondents intent.
> >Fortunately many of you also saw fit to clearly add to the response.
> >This is something not easily done in most voting situations.
> >
> >
> >The question asked if there was objection.
> >
> >Answering "NO" would mean that they had no objection. - binaries can go
here.
> >Answering "YES" would mean that they do have objection. - No binaries
allowed.
> >
> >
> >Most folks quickly responded "NO" meaning that they had no objection.
> >However, they then proceeded to object in no uncertain terms.
> >
> >Others properly answered in the affirmative, YES, they object.
> >
> >A few did not give a selection (which in this case would have been a "NO"
> >response, indicating that they would accept binaries) However, they, too,
made
> >points that would seem that they object to binaries in this group.
> >
> >Actual Results are a mess.
> >I clearly see how the presidential election became so F-ed up.
> >Many of the "ballots" contain contradictory responses and would have been
> >declared invalid.
> >
> >-miket
> >
>
> Guilty as charged. Kind of embarrassing as I live in Texas where the
> purposeful obscuring of the purpose and effect of ballot measures by
> our esteemed legislature is a minor art form. Triple negatives,
> anyone? Fortunately, they have not yet passed a measure that permits
> them to do as they please if everyone votes against a proposition.
> Thus the reflex to vote no automatically; absent a very strong reason
> to do otherwise.
>
> And thank you for the honesty to recognize that the commentary
> probably reflects the sentiment of the voter more accurately than the
> (IMO) backwards proposition. Another difference from "real" politics.
>
>
>
>