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Posted to talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,misc.rural
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skirt-boy: burden of proof not met
Derek wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:16:22 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> Derek wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:47:34 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:58:38 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:33:15 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:39:23 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:36:35 GMT, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:56:43 GMT, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [..]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do have some personal experience with cognitive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dissonance, I experienced it, and at the point when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally consciously confronted the underlying conflict
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I experienced a kind of physical discomfort in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brain, a dizziness and a buzzing in my ears, followed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortly by a kind of feeling of relief and elevated mental
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clarity. The brain will attempt to punish you to stop you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from threatening the existing belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's established, then, that not only are you a liar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who had to invent a family of kids to use as anecdotal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence to get your points accepted, both here and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.abortion, when you try to stop deluding yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your brain punishes you to such an extent that it hurts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you ("physical discomfort"), makes you feel dizzy, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives you a buzzing sound in your ears.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I did find deluding myself quite comfortable, after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all who was it hurting?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch as 'apostate' Mar 17 2002 http://tinyurl.com/cmhpo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Deluding myself felt good."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch Jun 4 2005 http://tinyurl.com/94eq3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you wonder why I never take you seriously?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your history is well established.
>>>>>>>>>>> As usual, when forced to address your lies and explain
>>>>>>>>>>> why I or anyone should take you seriously after learning
>>>>>>>>>>> how mentally ill you are, you try to excuse your bad
>>>>>>>>>>> behaviour by referring to the alleged bad behaviour of
>>>>>>>>>>> others. That's simply not good enough, Ditch. Going
>>>>>>>>>>> from that statement you made at the top of this post
>>>>>>>>>>> and others you've made over the years concerning your
>>>>>>>>>>> deluded state of mind, and how it makes you feel good,
>>>>>>>>>>> you're clearly suffering from a serious mental illness and
>>>>>>>>>>> can't be taken seriously here on these issues. You're a
>>>>>>>>>>> deluded liar who, when faced with the truth, refuses to
>>>>>>>>>>> accept that truth because, simply put, it makes your
>>>>>>>>>>> brain hurt and makes your ears buzz. haw haw haw.
>>>>>>>>>> Cognitive dissonance is not mental illness.
>>>>>>>>> He's clearly suffering from a serious mental illness if his
>>>>>>>>> mental conflicts and self-confessed delusions cause
>>>>>>>>> physical discomfort in the brain, dizziness, and a
>>>>>>>>> buzzing in the ears. He's certifiable.
>>>>>>>> Cognitive dissonance is not mental illness.
>>>>>>> He's a self-confessed delusional who believes his own
>>>>>>> brain punishes itself with pain, dizziness, and a buzzing
>>>>>>> in the ears when forced to confront conflicts. That's
>>>>>>> a very serious mental disorder which must be taken
>>>>>>> into account when discussing issues with him, because
>>>>>>> rather than face the truth like a normal person does he
>>>>>>> deludes himself instead to feel good for fear that his
>>>>>>> brain is going to punish him again.
>>>>>> WAS.
>>>>> IS. I've no reason to believe he's cured.
>>>> No, WAS. You have no reason to doubt that he has
>>>> resolved the conflict
>>> His quotes show that hasn't resolved any conflicts at all.
>> His quotes show that he *has* resolved the only
>> relevant conflict. He no longer believes animals have
>> rights.
>
> His quotes which rest in Google archives show that
> he still believes animals hold rights against us.
False.
>>>>>> He resolved the cognitive dissonance by eliminating the delusion.
>>>>> His quotes show that he's flip-flopped back and forth on
>>>>> the issues raised here for years, so no, I don't believe
>>>>> for one moment that he's ever managed to resolve those
>>>>> conflicts which cause his brain to attack itself in the way
>>>>> he describes.
>>>> His quotes and all of his posting history since about
>>>> 2001 show that he no longer believes in animal "rights".
>>> False. He first came here claiming to be an advocate
>>> on the proposition of animal rights.
>>>
>>> "I am an animal rights believer."
>>> Dutch 12 Feb 2001 http://tinyurl.com/4ybt3
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> "My contention is that 'animal rights' have sprouted
>>> like branches from the tree of "HUMAN RIGHTS".
>>> They are derivative. They reflect from a) what our
>>> own rights are b) to what degree and how we value
>>> the animal or species."
>>> Dutch 23 Feb 2001 http://tinyurl.com/3ljkh
>>>
>>> But within just a few months he started writing
>>> things like;
>>>
>>> "They have no rights because the very idea of
>>> a world of animals with rights is a laugh."
>>> Dutch 7 Aug 2001 http://tinyurl.com/6wffc
>
> <restore evidence that shows Dutch's ever-changing
> position on the proposition on animal rights>
[snip bullshit]
He doesn't believe in animal rights.
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