On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:44:31 GMT, Dutch > wrote:
>Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> Derek wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:47:34 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:58:38 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:33:15 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:39:23 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:36:35 GMT, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:56:43 GMT, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [..]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do have some personal experience with cognitive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dissonance, I experienced it, and at the point when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally consciously confronted the underlying conflict I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced a kind of physical discomfort in the brain, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dizziness and a buzzing in my ears, followed shortly by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of feeling of relief and elevated mental clarity. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brain will attempt to punish you to stop you from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threatening the existing belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's established, then, that not only are you a liar who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to invent a family of kids to use as anecdotal evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get your points accepted, both here and in alt.abortion,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you try to stop deluding yourself your brain punishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to such an extent that it hurts you ("physical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discomfort"), makes you feel dizzy, and gives you a buzzing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound in your ears.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I did find deluding myself quite comfortable, after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all who was it hurting?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch as 'apostate' Mar 17 2002 http://tinyurl.com/cmhpo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Deluding myself felt good."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch Jun 4 2005 http://tinyurl.com/94eq3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you wonder why I never take you seriously?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your history is well established.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As usual, when forced to address your lies and explain why I
>>>>>>>>>>> or anyone should take you seriously after learning how
>>>>>>>>>>> mentally ill you are, you try to excuse your bad
>>>>>>>>>>> behaviour by referring to the alleged bad behaviour of others.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's simply not good enough, Ditch. Going
>>>>>>>>>>> from that statement you made at the top of this post
>>>>>>>>>>> and others you've made over the years concerning your
>>>>>>>>>>> deluded state of mind, and how it makes you feel good,
>>>>>>>>>>> you're clearly suffering from a serious mental illness and
>>>>>>>>>>> can't be taken seriously here on these issues. You're a
>>>>>>>>>>> deluded liar who, when faced with the truth, refuses to
>>>>>>>>>>> accept that truth because, simply put, it makes your brain
>>>>>>>>>>> hurt and makes your ears buzz. haw haw haw.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cognitive dissonance is not mental illness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He's clearly suffering from a serious mental illness if his
>>>>>>>>> mental conflicts and self-confessed delusions cause physical
>>>>>>>>> discomfort in the brain, dizziness, and a buzzing in the ears.
>>>>>>>>> He's certifiable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cognitive dissonance is not mental illness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's a self-confessed delusional who believes his own
>>>>>>> brain punishes itself with pain, dizziness, and a buzzing
>>>>>>> in the ears when forced to confront conflicts. That's
>>>>>>> a very serious mental disorder which must be taken
>>>>>>> into account when discussing issues with him, because
>>>>>>> rather than face the truth like a normal person does he deludes
>>>>>>> himself instead to feel good for fear that his
>>>>>>> brain is going to punish him again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WAS.
>>>>>
>>>>> IS. I've no reason to believe he's cured.
>>>>
>>>> No, WAS. You have no reason to doubt that he has resolved the conflict
>>>
>>> His quotes show that hasn't resolved any conflicts at all.
>>
>> His quotes show that he *has* resolved the only relevant conflict. He
>> no longer believes animals have rights.
>>
>>
>>>>>> He resolved the cognitive dissonance by eliminating the delusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> His quotes show that he's flip-flopped back and forth on the issues
>>>>> raised here for years, so no, I don't believe
>>>>> for one moment that he's ever managed to resolve those
>>>>> conflicts which cause his brain to attack itself in the way
>>>>> he describes.
>>>>
>>>> His quotes and all of his posting history since about 2001 show that
>>>> he no longer believes in animal "rights".
>>>
>>> False. He first came here claiming to be an advocate on the
>>> proposition of animal rights.
>>>
>>> "I am an animal rights believer."
>>> Dutch 12 Feb 2001 http://tinyurl.com/4ybt3
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> "My contention is that 'animal rights' have sprouted
>>> like branches from the tree of "HUMAN RIGHTS".
>>> They are derivative. They reflect from a) what our
>>> own rights are b) to what degree and how we value
>>> the animal or species."
>>> Dutch 23 Feb 2001 http://tinyurl.com/3ljkh
>>>
>>> But within just a few months he started writing things like;
>>>
>>> "They have no rights because the very idea of
>>> a world of animals with rights is a laugh."
>>
>> That's a lot of time that went by. Mercer, among others, set him straight.
>
> I have said all along that I believe that there are such things
> as "animal rights" and I contend that most people believe that
> there are.

Thanks for shitting all over Jon, Dutch.