Derek wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:47:34 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> Derek wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:58:38 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:33:15 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:39:23 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:36:35 GMT, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:56:43 GMT, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [..]
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do have some personal experience with cognitive
>>>>>>>>>>>> dissonance, I experienced it, and at the point when
>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally consciously confronted the underlying conflict
>>>>>>>>>>>> I experienced a kind of physical discomfort in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> brain, a dizziness and a buzzing in my ears, followed
>>>>>>>>>>>> shortly by a kind of feeling of relief and elevated mental
>>>>>>>>>>>> clarity. The brain will attempt to punish you to stop you
>>>>>>>>>>>> from threatening the existing belief.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's established, then, that not only are you a liar
>>>>>>>>>>> who had to invent a family of kids to use as anecdotal
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence to get your points accepted, both here and
>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.abortion, when you try to stop deluding yourself
>>>>>>>>>>> your brain punishes you to such an extent that it hurts
>>>>>>>>>>> you ("physical discomfort"), makes you feel dizzy, and
>>>>>>>>>>> gives you a buzzing sound in your ears.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I did find deluding myself quite comfortable, after
>>>>>>>>>>> all who was it hurting?"
>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch as 'apostate' Mar 17 2002 http://tinyurl.com/cmhpo
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Deluding myself felt good."
>>>>>>>>>>> Dutch Jun 4 2005 http://tinyurl.com/94eq3
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you wonder why I never take you seriously?
>>>>>>>>>> Your history is well established.
>>>>>>>>> As usual, when forced to address your lies and explain
>>>>>>>>> why I or anyone should take you seriously after learning
>>>>>>>>> how mentally ill you are, you try to excuse your bad
>>>>>>>>> behaviour by referring to the alleged bad behaviour of
>>>>>>>>> others. That's simply not good enough, Ditch. Going
>>>>>>>>> from that statement you made at the top of this post
>>>>>>>>> and others you've made over the years concerning your
>>>>>>>>> deluded state of mind, and how it makes you feel good,
>>>>>>>>> you're clearly suffering from a serious mental illness and
>>>>>>>>> can't be taken seriously here on these issues. You're a
>>>>>>>>> deluded liar who, when faced with the truth, refuses to
>>>>>>>>> accept that truth because, simply put, it makes your
>>>>>>>>> brain hurt and makes your ears buzz. haw haw haw.
>>>>>>>> Cognitive dissonance is not mental illness.
>>>>>>> He's clearly suffering from a serious mental illness if his
>>>>>>> mental conflicts and self-confessed delusions cause
>>>>>>> physical discomfort in the brain, dizziness, and a
>>>>>>> buzzing in the ears. He's certifiable.
>>>>>> Cognitive dissonance is not mental illness.
>>>>> He's a self-confessed delusional who believes his own
>>>>> brain punishes itself with pain, dizziness, and a buzzing
>>>>> in the ears when forced to confront conflicts. That's
>>>>> a very serious mental disorder which must be taken
>>>>> into account when discussing issues with him, because
>>>>> rather than face the truth like a normal person does he
>>>>> deludes himself instead to feel good for fear that his
>>>>> brain is going to punish him again.
>>>> WAS.
>>> IS. I've no reason to believe he's cured.
>> No, WAS. You have no reason to doubt that he has
>> resolved the conflict
>
> His quotes show that hasn't resolved any conflicts at all.

His quotes show that he *has* resolved the only
relevant conflict. He no longer believes animals have
rights.


>>>> He resolved the cognitive dissonance by eliminating the delusion.
>>> His quotes show that he's flip-flopped back and forth on
>>> the issues raised here for years, so no, I don't believe
>>> for one moment that he's ever managed to resolve those
>>> conflicts which cause his brain to attack itself in the way
>>> he describes.
>> His quotes and all of his posting history since about
>> 2001 show that he no longer believes in animal "rights".
>
> False. He first came here claiming to be an advocate
> on the proposition of animal rights.
>
> "I am an animal rights believer."
> Dutch 12 Feb 2001 http://tinyurl.com/4ybt3
>
> and
>
> "My contention is that 'animal rights' have sprouted
> like branches from the tree of "HUMAN RIGHTS".
> They are derivative. They reflect from a) what our
> own rights are b) to what degree and how we value
> the animal or species."
> Dutch 23 Feb 2001 http://tinyurl.com/3ljkh
>
> But within just a few months he started writing
> things like;
>
> "They have no rights because the very idea of
> a world of animals with rights is a laugh."

That's a lot of time that went by. Mercer, among
others, set him straight.