On Jul 23, 11:41?am, Emery Davis > wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:52:30 -0700
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> > On Jul 23, 4:10 am, "Bill S." > wrote:
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> > > Of the Savennierres, I enjoy Closel.
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> > I had a charming, person reply to my email to Closel with details of
> > their wines which I have copied and pasted below, which of these would
> > you recommend to a novice of their wine?
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> > Ce sont des vins pour tous les jours qui ont la qualit_ des bons
> > produits, de la cuisine
> > du march_, des vins aux sens naturels et originaux.
> > Pour une quantit_ de: 3 litres 10 litres Quantit_ Prix
> > Total
> > Fleur de vigne, Savenni_res AOC 2005 (Bag In Box) 27 86
> > Petits fruits rouges d'Anjou, Anjou AOC 2005 (Bag In Box) 12 35
> > Pour une quantit_ de: 3 bt 6 bt 12 bt 24 bt Quantit_ Prix
> > Total
> > La Jalousie, Savenni_res AOC 2001 (75 cl) 10,80 9,90 9 8,55
> > La Jalousie, Savenni_res AOC 2005 (75 cl) 11,70 10,73 9,75 9.25
> > Anjou Rouge, Anjou AOC 2005 (75 cl) 6.95 6.35 5.80 5.50
> > LA PLENITUDE D'UNE VIE GENEREUSE
> > Ce sont des vins ronds, gourmands , flamboyants, magnanimes, pour la
> > bonne
> > cuisine du terroir, des vins aux sens g_n_reux.
> > Pour une quantit_ de: 3 bt 6 bt 12 bt 24 bt Quantit_ Prix
> > Total
> > La Tentation, ros_ Cabernet d'Anjou AOC (75 cl) 14.40 13,20 12 11,40
> > Anjou Villages AOC 2000 (Magnum 1,5 l) 20,40 18,70 17 16,50
> > Anjou Villages AOC 2003 (75 cl) 10,80 9.90 9 8,55
> > Les Caillardi_res, Savenni_res AOC 2003 (75 cl) 14,40 13,20 12 11,40
> > LE CHIC DE L'EXTRAVAGANCE SOPHISTIQUEE
> > Ce sont des vins pour les grands moments, fins, chics, raffin_s, avec
> > une tr_s belle
> > longueur en bouche, des vins aux sens sophistiqu_s
> > Pour une quantit_ de: 3 bt 6 bt 12 bt 24 bt Quantit_ Prix
> > Total
> > Clos du Papillon, Savenni_res AOC 2000 (Magnum 1,5 l) 31,20 28,60 26
> > 24,70
> > Clos du Papillon, Savenni_res AOC 2005 (75 cl) 20,40 18,70 17 16,15
> > Les Coteaux, Savenni_res AOC 2002 (mo_lleux) (75 cl) 18,60 17,05 15,50
> > 14,73
> > Clos du Papillon, Savenni_res AOC 2003 (mo_lleux) (75 cl) 18 16,50 15
> > 14,25
> > Clos du Papillon, Savenni_res AOC 2003 (37,5 cl) 12 11 10 9,50
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> Hi Judith, (and Bill: glad no one stepped on those little maples. One advantage
> of being chased in doors!)
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> I don't know Closel, so I won't comment on the quality. But some of the prices are
> absurd. No one on my planet pays over 10 EU for a Cabernet d'Anjou! Or
> even over 5. And that's for good juice. The Anjou Villages looks
> about 2X what it ought to cost, I don't care how good it is.
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> I don't have a real problem with the Savenni res pricing, but it's right up there
> with Joly. Looks like priced for export outre-pond, to me.
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> IIRC Ogereau is very good, at a fair price.
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> Do bear in mind Savenni res is often searingly acidic young. 2005 will be a
> good year, but not for the impatient.
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> -E
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Don't know the red Closels. But the La Jalousie and Clos du Papillon
are really great Savennieres (I MUCH prefer to Joly! though the prices
here are much less than Joly's Coulee des Serrant). I gladly pay
between $15 & 25 for these. The Caillardieres I only had once, an off-
dry Savennieres, didn't really rock my world. I've heard the Moulleaux
one is great, never had.

If you're looking for less expensive Savennieres a couple producers t
try might be Epire and Laffourcade. Not to level of Closel (or Baumard
for that matter), but usually typical and good value. Of course, Emery
is closer and might have more ideas- I'm basing on what makes to US.