On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:41:50 -0500, notbob > wrote:

>On 2007-06-14, Ted > wrote:
>
>> depresssing and population boosting immigration bill before Congress.
>> Not a thought as to the environmental impact of radically increased
>> population numbers, not a thought to the dissolution of American
>> culture. What scum. (This is non-partisan
>> as Bush, Senator Juan McCain, Sen. Spector, are simply garbage.)
>
>Yep. It's been going on for 30 yrs. Initially, it was to bust the
>unions and it worked brilliantly. After the entire construction
>industry was flushed clean of dirty commie union members and just
>plain ol' blue collar working stiffs trying to raise a family, they
>were replaced by quiet, docile, illegals. You been to a contruction
>site lately? Se habla Espanol. So, carpenters are now making about
>the same or less than they did 30 yrs ago, depite housing prices
>increasing by 30X!

All you need to do is watch HGTV. They don't pretend. You want to
do it cheap, hire cheap labor.... I'm not saying cheap labor can't do
a good job because I had one guy who was a "pick up" for me. I swear
that guy was like Popeye! He was small, but mighty. That short guy
helped a six foot white guy lift very heavy rocks. He looked like a
skinny little shrimp, but every time he lifted something his arm
muscles popped out just like in the PopEye cartoons. He was a very
nice man and we paid him more than he asked because he was such a hard
worker. I wish we could go back to the old (seasonal) guest worker
programs.
>
>Next was hi-tech. You can't move offshore? Bring 'em here!! You
>think we let all those Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, and Filipino
>refugees into this country post Vietnam because we felt sorry for them
>and were trying to do the right thing? Silly you. The booming
>Silicon Valley needed warm bodies. Cheap warm bodies.
>
But we *can* go off shore, we are outsourcing to India. It's not
working out (they even get lessons on sounding "American"), but we
continue to do it anyway because it's cheaper.

>Finally, not even the professionals were safe. A new cheapo resource
>was found in India. Cookie cutter engineers fresh out of their rote
>learning factories chomped onto US's H1B visas like starving fish on a
>worm.

I can't comment about "cookie cutter", but students from the Indian
Institutes of Technology are from *the* NUMBER ONE tech schools in the
world. They graduate the best of the best and every graduate is
spoken for. It's too bad they have to work for so little. Think
about it. We used to "brain drain" other countries, so the US
doesn't have a corner on who's "smart". Great minds are being bought
as slave labor now. It's a lose, lose situation.

> Pols couldn't use the old lie of "they do the work others are
>unwilling to do".

Other professions like medicine and education do it. Engineering is
just another rung on the ladder. Education is the field they can't
outsource to another country with a straight face. They lie about
being unable to fill positions so they can hire forefingers, but the
people they hire are competent and earnest in my experience.

>They had to invent a new one about how America's
>colleges aren't supplying sufficient or smart enough engineers
>anymore. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of tough, smart, experienced US
>engineers, IT, and programmers who were laid off during the dot com
>crash watched, agonized, as their careers, homes, and families
>disintergrated while trying to find a job. Meanwhile, the pols upped
>the H1B quota again and again (they're trying again!!).
>Arrrrrgghhhh!!
>
>nb, back... away... from.... the... keyboard.....
>
>(I gotta stop before I rupture a vein)

Take a breath. I feel your pain (patting NB on the shoulder).


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