"Rupert" > wrote
> I doubt very much that you are making a good faith attempt at serious
> debate. If you are, then poor you.

That about sums you up Rupert. For all your posturing about being serious
about moral philosophy and bragging that you're into real serious debate,
the threads you get heavliy involved with are always the lowest common
demoninator mudslinging contests. Jon uses logic and embellishes it with
direct insults, you use pseudo-intellectual jibber-jabber and condescension
as your ad hominem weapons of choice. Bottom line, it's all the same gutter.