On Mar 20, 9:45�am, "Gunner" <gunner@ spam.com> wrote:

> When you claim this NG is about "greasy antojitos", "Taco Benders" and "Beer
> Guzzlers" you do realize you are the only one lambasting them on a constant
> basis.

Of course. Taco benders and beer guzzlers are too ignorant to know
there's anything beyond the Great Taco Swamp.
>
> If you really wanted to show there is more to Mexican Foods *then you would
> have given recipes and proper translations for the titles of these regional
> dishes,. *many of which are a local rendition of *the very foods you
> decry.

My lists are not regional cookbooks, they're surveys of the cooking
and beverages of the states in the various regions.�

> Your VOM and Gulf Coast meals of *Beef, Chicken or Pork wrapped in a
> tortilla are different *for the Norteno tacos, enchiladas, and tamales *how?

Did I say they were different? I listed them because they were typical
dishes of the state I was surveying.
>
> Take the time to tell the stories behind the names, tell me the other
> ingredients, please do not just regurgitate someone else's list of regional
> dishes that you have no clue as to their meaning.

Who are you to insist on how a survey of regional dishes should be
made? Where's *your* survey?

> Tell me why or how
> Tabasqueno's *Shrimp Empanada is different than say one from Guayamas?

Maybe they aren't different at all, who knows, if the recipe isn't
forthcoming due to the group's lack of interest in anything except
greasy tacos, what kind of leaves to wrap tamales in, or whether there
should be cumen in chili.

> I
> disagree with Wayne's 3/15 post
> when he says "I ... *rarely offer an observation since it is impossible to
> define many of the ingredients in such a way that they communicate the true
> taste of them". * I offer that is exactly why you must talk about them, Tell
> me what it is I would taste if I had this meal, if you cannot do that tell
> me the recipe and ingredients so I can taste it in my mind or attempt to
> make it in my kitchen. (That's why *I want recipes)

Read each survey, and you will find the question, "Got recipes?" The
survey is a request for assistance, it's not an authoritative and
exhaustive cookbook.

> On a more personal level, *I still have hopes for you, I will say you do
> have grit.

You do not the faintest idea of how much "grit" I have.

> Hopefully *you will learn cooking or at least develop some
> serious research skills. *I hold no such hope you will ever overcome this
> prejudice, nor the ignorance about Norteno food.

I posted my regional surveys of El Norte. Where are your positive
corrections that prove that Norteno cooking is anything but peasant
food?
>
> So please give up the self righteous indignation and the pseudo-intellectual
> "po me" act, and honestly, the class warrior crap has to go also. *If you
> must continue, * you should can go find the "White is right" *game show
> elsewhere.

I didn't set up the Spanish colonial caste and class system that made
third and fourth class citizens out of Mexicans, don't blame me for
their poverty and poor diet.