Sportinus wrote:

> I have a patio that has and 8ft side then a 90
> degree turn and a 14
> ft side, is this enough space to grow grapes?
>
> 14 ft
> ------------+
> | 8 ft
> |
>
> should I planr by the corner post? leaving a 14
> ft run 1 way and an 8
> ft run the other? or is better to plant by the
> end of the 8 ft run,
> which buts up against the house? How many vines
> can this support?

Boy, you are going to get a lot of different
opinions on this one. Is your patio covered? Do
both sides have access to plenty of sun? Where
do you live? What variety do you want to plant?

Vine spacing varies a lot depending of personal
preference, variety vigor and other variables.

ONE possible scenerio that could work is the
following:

from the left end of the 14 foot diagram, go right
two feet and plant vine 1, go 4 feet and plant
vine 2, go another 4 feet and plant vine 3. This
will give you two feet to both ends of this row.
This will allow a total cordon length of 4 f per
vine. on the 8 foot section - come in from the
end 2 feet and plant a vine, go 4 feet and plant
another vine. This again would leave you with
two feet at each end and 4 foot of cordon.

This would be total of 6 vines.

I am sure you will get a lot of other suggestions

good luck