"Pete <(.¿.)>" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:51:58 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>"Pete <(.¿.)>" > wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:45:57 GMT, "Dutch" > wrote:
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>>>>"Pete <(.¿.)>" > wrote
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>>>>>>There are good arguments for eating less meat and only eating less
>>>>>>intensively raised meat but there are not good practical health,
>>>>>>economic or environmental reasons to stop eating all meat all
>>>>>>together.
>>>>>
>>>>> We simply do not NEED to eat meat. That's a fact.
>>>>
>>>>That is a misleading statement disguised as a fact. There are no needs,
>>>>only
>>>>wants.
>>>
>>> It's a fact, we don't need meat.
>>
>>We don't need anything per se,
>
> Yes we do.

No, we don't.

> We need food to survive,

We don't need to survive, we WANT to survive. Need is a weasel word used by
people attempting to impose an agenda on others.

> that food doesn't NEED to be meat.

It doesn't NEED to be anything in particular, meat just happens to be a food
category you dislike.

> You can live on a wholly veggie diet, you cannot live on meat alone.

That's irrelevant, and false.

>> the word need is strictly conditional.
>
> Keep wriggling.

You are misappropriating your personal DESIRE to have us all live a
particular way into a meaningless statement about "need". We don't NEED to
do thousands of things we do, that does not mean we shouldn't do them.

>>>>>>The only reason to give up meat all together is to feel smug and
>>>>>>superior, a feeling that can only be maintained if "the great fight"
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>never actually won. That is why vegetarians come up with such lame
>>>>>>ideas
>>>>>>trying to persuade other people to make the same decision they did but
>>>>>>for different reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> What an idiotic idea. Since when has looking after ourselves, and the
>>>>> planet been some warped ego trip?
>>>>
>>>>Man has always gone on warped ego trips, it's his nature.
>>>
>>> Strange world you live in then, when caring is an ego trip!
>>
>>Vegans bend caring into a character flaw.
>
> We still know caring is good. You're the warped kind who think its a
> crime! Guilt does funny things to people I guess.

You're projecting. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they bang on people's
doors and pester them about The Truth because they "care". The *real*
"truth" is that like you they need to pester people to convince themselves
that they care, and they need to convert others in order to keep convincing
themselves that they're not misguided. Nobody thinks caring is bad, deciding
that you have a unique insight on THE TRUTH is arrogant and boring.

>>>>> Really weird thoughts you're having.
>>>>
>>>>They only sound weird to you because you're on a warped ego trip.
>>>
>>> You cant seem to get round your head, some things in life are free.
>>
>>You can't seem to get it through your head, everything free is not good.
>
> The best things in life are. Try enjoying it for a change.

Some of the worst things in life are free, like warped ego trips.