================================================== ===============================OK,
I read what you wrote, you don't seem to be an insulting fool like Rick
the Prick,(since name calling seems to be a prerequisit here I'll do it
too) but you just don't get it, you are so entrenched in your own
opinions...... but here are the facts..... say what you will, there is
simply no need for people to eat animals. Period. All vitamins and
nutrients found in animals are found in plants....where do you think
cows get their protein? Steak? And even if animals are, as you say,
kept alive in such nice conditions, they are still being kept in an
unnatural enviroment, forced to produce milk/eggs/whatever for another
creatures comfort or ultimately slaughtered and consummed. All for no
reason. You keep saying 'the animals lives aren't that bad'. Maybe you
don't see it as so, but, geez, do you think they wanted to be confined
, enslaved, and/or consumed? Why should they live and die for you? You
can equate it with carrots and corn and all yr other nonsense, but
factually, human beings have no need to consume flesh.P- Rick told me
to look in the mirror. Try it. Have yr canine teeth receded too, as
have all humans?Got molars? More than canines? Does not mans own
physical evolution make you wonder, just a little, if other people may
just be right? Sigh.....probably not.
dh@. wrote:
> On 26 Dec 2006 11:03:26 -0800, "turq" > wrote:
>
> >================================================= ===============================I
> >do admit, it was a differant troll that cursed me."Rick" .I do
> >apologize for the error.
>
> That's a new one, and your apology is certainly accepted.
> But I don't believe rick cursed you either, because it seems
> he doesn't curse in the ngs if he does it at all.
>
> >Like I said, this my first on line question, I
> >was not ready for all this inane nonsense. If you do have acsess to
> >healthy animals to eat, even as a omnivore you are a minority, and
> >bully for you, but it is irrelevant as to what I ate. Huge companies
> >don't coddle there animals...
>
> · Because there are so many different situations
> involved in the raising of meat animals, it is completely
> unfair to the animals to think of them all in the same
> way, as "ARAs" appear to do. To think that all of it is
> cruel, and to think of all animals which are raised for
> the production of food in the same way, oversimplifies
> and distorts one's interpretation of the way things
> really are. Just as it would to think that there is no
> cruelty or abuse at all.
>
> Beef cattle spend nearly their entire lives outside
> grazing, which is not a bad way to live. Veal are
> confined to such a degree that they appear to have
> terrible lives, so there's no reason to think of both
> groups of animals in the same way.
> Chickens raised as fryers and broilers, and egg
> producers who are in a cage free environment--as well as
> the birds who parent all of them, and the birds who parent
> battery hens--are raised in houses, but not in cages. The
> lives of those birds are not bad. Battery hens are confined
> to cages, and have what appear to be terrible lives, so
> there is no reason to think of battery hens and the other
> groups in the same way. ·
>
> >they're just 'food' for the masses, you
> >know. Just growth hormone antibiotic laden food. Just 'food'.And so by
> >eating your own 'special' meat, you are helping with the problem of
> >unhealthy meat production, unlike us "vegans" ( oops, never said I was
> >a vegan, am a vegatarian but you probably just have a pat rant for that
> >too) who don't want to eat animals, for whatever reason? Where is the
> >logic in that?????????
>
> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
> wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
> buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
> What they try to avoid are products which provide life
> (and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
> to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
> in order to be successful:
>
> Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
> Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
> Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
> Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
> Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
> Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
> Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings
>
> The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
> slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
> as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
> their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
> animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
> ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
> future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
> livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
> consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
> being vegan.
> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
> steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
> get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
> over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
> get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
> machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
> draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
> likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
> derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
> contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
> better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·
>
> . . .
> >> >Maybe we should corral, abuse, slaughter and devour humans too, 100% protein, starting with you. Ugh
> >>
> >> Humans aren't 100% protein. You have a looooooooooong
> >> way to go if you ever hope to get a glimpse of reality....