On 26 Dec 2006 11:03:26 -0800, "turq" > wrote:

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>do admit, it was a differant troll that cursed me."Rick" .I do
>apologize for the error.

That's a new one, and your apology is certainly accepted.
But I don't believe rick cursed you either, because it seems
he doesn't curse in the ngs if he does it at all.

>Like I said, this my first on line question, I
>was not ready for all this inane nonsense. If you do have acsess to
>healthy animals to eat, even as a omnivore you are a minority, and
>bully for you, but it is irrelevant as to what I ate. Huge companies
>don't coddle there animals...

· Because there are so many different situations
involved in the raising of meat animals, it is completely
unfair to the animals to think of them all in the same
way, as "ARAs" appear to do. To think that all of it is
cruel, and to think of all animals which are raised for
the production of food in the same way, oversimplifies
and distorts one's interpretation of the way things
really are. Just as it would to think that there is no
cruelty or abuse at all.

Beef cattle spend nearly their entire lives outside
grazing, which is not a bad way to live. Veal are
confined to such a degree that they appear to have
terrible lives, so there's no reason to think of both
groups of animals in the same way.
Chickens raised as fryers and broilers, and egg
producers who are in a cage free environment--as well as
the birds who parent all of them, and the birds who parent
battery hens--are raised in houses, but not in cages. The
lives of those birds are not bad. Battery hens are confined
to cages, and have what appear to be terrible lives, so
there is no reason to think of battery hens and the other
groups in the same way. ·

>they're just 'food' for the masses, you
>know. Just growth hormone antibiotic laden food. Just 'food'.And so by
>eating your own 'special' meat, you are helping with the problem of
>unhealthy meat production, unlike us "vegans" ( oops, never said I was
>a vegan, am a vegatarian but you probably just have a pat rant for that
>too) who don't want to eat animals, for whatever reason? Where is the
>logic in that?????????

· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

.. . .
>> >Maybe we should corral, abuse, slaughter and devour humans too, 100% protein, starting with you. Ugh
>>
>> Humans aren't 100% protein. You have a looooooooooong
>> way to go if you ever hope to get a glimpse of reality....