On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 07:20:50 GMT, Gem > wrote:

>dh@. wrote:
>> · Since the animals we raise for food would not be alive
>
>and would neither know it, nor care...
>
>> if we didn't raise them for that purpose, it's a distortion of
>> reality not to take that fact into consideration whenever
>> we think about the fact that the animals are going to be
>> killed. The animals are not being cheated out of any part
>> of their life by being raised for food, but instead they are
>> experiencing whatever life they get as a result of it. ·
>
>Say, how's that extra brother of yours, "Luke", that was never born? I
>imagine he'll be impatiently waiting, forever, that's just awful.

I doubt you're being honest of course, but if you do, how many
potential brothers and sisters would you guess I have? How do
you figure it? Can you figure out all of their names? What do you
think they're waiting for?

>You distort reality by looking at future existence as the starting point,

It is the starting point. For example: You are saying that regardless
of how good their lives would be, and how humane their deaths, for
what you consider to be some ethical reason(s) animals raised for
food should not exist. That's a starting point just as it is to say that
they should exist, regardless of the reason(s). So that "argument"
or whatever holds just as true for you pro-vegans as it does for
pro-consumers, so it's not a distortion of reality as you wish that
it was.

>then coming back in time to the present and claiming that those
>non-existent farm animals deserve whatever pathetic life may be coming
>their way,

I don't believe that either. How could they possibly "deserve" to
have a bad life? How could they "deserve" to have a good one?
For a set of beliefs you want to complain about, you sure don't
have any idea what they are.

>and that they should thank you for it as they're being butchered.

Wow, how UNsurprising that you're wrong about that, since you've
been wrong about all the rest of it. You people have no idea what
I encourage, yet you make up stupid ideas, accuse me of believing
them, and then act like it bothers you that I do when I don't. You
veg*ns AND!!! your wannabees are a dishonest and extremely goofy
bunch, that is for *sure*!

>And your parents were horrible people for treating Luke that way.

What about your parents who did the same exact thing? Tell us
a little about that if you can...at least *try!*!!!