<dh@.> wrote in message ...
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:54:22 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
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> >A few might hop in from the field margins.. same as they can hop out.
>
> LOL. I mean: Why would they be in "the field margins", and how
> would they get there?

Why wouldn't they? They like humid areas with still shallow pools.
Margins left untouched would provide permanent habitat for frogs.

> >> >> >> >> yes, but diderot led me to believe that most of them were
> >> >> >> >> tree frogs who could survive in the stalks until the harverster came
> >> >> >> >> along.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Where did all these frogs come from, after supposedly being
> >> >> >> >slaughtered year in, year out?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> diderot was nice enough to exchange some emails with me,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I bet! - you're a ready sucker,
> >> >>
> >> >> LOL! That coming from someone who believes there are
> >> >> superior beings living in the center of the Earth is pretty
> >> >> damn funny.
> >> >
> >> >I've plenty of reason to believe that.
> >>
> >> Like what?
> >
> >I've posted a link to a well-researched site before, just for you.
>
> I don't believe you, but would like to see you try.

I'm not giving it to you again.

> >> >You dis-believe without reason.
> >>
> >> I have good reason. If it were true, I have good reason to believe
> >> people in general would have learned about it because research
> >> teams would have found the entrances, gone in, studied it, made
> >> videos, and made money by presenting what they learned to the
> >> public like they do with other things of interest.
> >
> >That has happened.
>
> You're the only person I've ever known of to think so. Do you
> always believe that btw, or do you sometimes think they don't
> exist like you sometimes think there are no frogs in rice fields?

You mean, like you believe in a biblical plague of frogs in rice fields.

There are many written accounts by explorers, researchers and others.

No video that I'm aware of, sorry, but I did link to an unusual photo.

> >You and others like you ridicule everything.
>
> Not everything, but that's more than you can comprehend
> obviously or you wouldn't have made the claim.

I know it from your previous abusive non-response.

> >> >> >and an unabashed propagandist.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> and that was a question I asked him about. He said the water
> >> >> >> they use to flood the fields comes from rivers and/or creeks
> >> >> >> which have frogs etc living in them already. So they come from
> >> >> >> upstream.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Why would they move from their established habitat? Some frogs
> >> >> >live near rivers or creeks, but they don't actually live -in- the water
> >> >> >of moving rivers and creeks, nor do they spawn in moving water.
> >> >> >Why don't you do a little research?
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll just ask you what you asked me: where do they come from?
> >> >> IF you think they don't get killed when the fields dry, but still think
> >> >> they "easily move on as the fields dry", they're still GONE. So again,
> >> >> where do you think they come from?
> >> >
> >> >I don't think that 'they' are there!
> >>
> >> But you did last week. Why did you think so last week but not
> >> this week, have you any idea?
> >
> >I said that some might be there.
>
> You emphatically stated that you "don't think that 'they' are there!"
> Now you're amusingly trying to pretend differently.

'they', as in the hundreds of thousands alleged - "the green waterfall".

> >Not the hundreds of thousands you claim.
>
> How many? How could you possibly have any clue? Present some
> info from a reliable source to back up your absurd sounding claim.

I have backed up logical common sense with an email from a bona fide
organic rice-farmer. -You- have yet to support your fantastical claim.

> >> >> You can't answer that one. At "best" all you can do is hurl insults
> >> >> and sulk away from it.
> >> >
> >> >You haven't answered the question.
> >>
> >> Which one?
> >
> >How all 'these' frogs got there in the first place. diderot lied to you.
>
> The only thing to suggest that diderot lied is YOU, and you're insane.
> YOU need to explain why frogs and tadpoles could not get into rice
> fields when they are flooded with water from rives and/or creeks.

I have explained. Rivers and creeks - deep moving bodies of water - aren't
teeming with frogs! Not even in Texas. Frogs live in still, shallow pools.

> >> >> >And if his claims were true, a
> >> >> >seasonal wholesale slaughter of frogs would be well-documented.
> >> >>
> >> >> Who would document it? Why?
> >> >
> >> >Amphibian watchers, .. agricultural sites, .. ecological sites..
> >>
> >> So you're saying there are no cds involved with any crop production,
> >> and if there were it would be well documented and posted on
> >> agricultural and ecological sites? Or are you trying to get us to believe
> >> that's only true in the case of rice for some reason(s)?
> >
> >Amphibians are in serious trouble, so it would be well-documented.
> >And yes, - if the mass carnage you'd like us to believe happens in
> >crop production was a fact, that too would be well-documented.
>
> So you're saying that people should give no thought to cds involved
> with any type of crop production? How about wood and paper production?
> Construction of roads and building? Mining operations? Production of
> electricity?

Yes, it is documented, where or when it occurs. If such a major thing
as you are claiming happens, it would most certainly be documented.

> >> >> >> >> If diderot exagerated, it was to make people aware of the
> >> >> >> >> deaths caused by rice production.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >diderot told wholesale porkies in order to try to blur the line
> >> >> >> >between deaths in crop production and in the livestock industry.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> diderot told people about cds that you "aras" obviously
> >> >> >> could not care less about, and in fact do NOT want people
> >> >> >> to be aware of. Disgusting!!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >diderot told people lies about cds. And you swallowed it whole.
> >> >>
> >> >> Animals are killed in rice production, and you disgustingly want
> >> >> people to believe otherwise.
> >> >
> >> >You claim they are, and without any evidence to substantiate those
> >> >outlandish claims, you disgustingly want people to believe it's fact.
> >>
> >> As I said, I have seen grasshoppers etc hopping all over the
> >> bush hog I've mowed with. If there were frogs as well they would
> >> be doing the same. Rice harvesters being of different design
> >> would allow for less hopping on the equipmet and make for more
> >> going through it. I have presented pictures of frogs in rice fields:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/z5fky
> >
> >"rice visitor" - one frog.
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/gkdzo
> >
> >one frog. looks like the field's been cropped..
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/zxf82
> >
> >two frogs - could be anywhere.
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/goh3f
> >
> >"Frog in the Rice". - one frog.
> >
> >> This animal is even called a Rice Frog:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/jcr2v
> >
> >I don't see where it's called a "rice frog",
> >and he's sitting on a low branch.
> >
> >> so is this one:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/hzl4v
> >
> >I don't see where it's called a "rice frog",
> >and that's certainly not a rice field.
> >
> >> and this one:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/gh7cn
> >
> >I don't see where it's called a "rice frog",
> >and he's sitting on a massive rock.
> >
> >> This one is called a Rice Paddy Frog:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/h49cy
> >
> >I don't see where it's called a "rice paddy frog",
> >and that's certainly not a rice field either.
>
> You probably won't be able to see it here either since
> you only see and believe what you want to, but it's here
> none the less in case more honest people have any
> interest in the subject:
>
> http://images.google.com/images?q=ri...=Search+Images

I still don't see these alleged hundreds of thousands. Do you?

> >> yet you absurdly, stupidly and either ignorantly or dishonestly
> >> now claim that there are no frogs in rice production.
> >
> >No. You absurdly, stupidly and either ignorantly or dishonestly
> >post pictures of individual frogs- most of which are clearly not
> >in rice fields, in attempted support of # hundreds of thousands.
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> Fish, frogs, snails, insects, and other aquatic organisms that thrive in
> conjunction

"in conjuction" means 'joined to'. In the areas described below,
harvesting is manual, and therefore the wildlife can thrive as the
fields and surrounding areas will serve as an established habitat.

If you went in there with a mechanic harvester, yes, you'd likely
get your "green waterfall" - once. > That's an ecosystem gone.

> with rice are a source of animal protein and essential fatty
> acids. In addition, various kinds of livestock are supported by rice-based
> systems. Ducks feed on small fish, other aquatic organisms, and weeds
> within the paddy fields, while buffaloes, cattle, sheep and goats graze on
> rice straw as their main food source in rice-producing areas.
>
> http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/67607.html
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> Thousands of frogs which keep BPH under check were caught from
> paddy fields
>
> http://www.indianspices.com/html/prodev_ipm.htm
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> As I type, I am listening to the din of the thousands of frogs that inhabit the
> rice field right next to my home
>
> http://www.cosmicbuddha.com/adam/archives/000559.html
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> at night we were eaten alive by the millions of mosquitoes that bred in the
> paddy fields directly opposite and all around the camp. At night too there
> was a deafening orchestra of thousands upon thousands of frogs
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/s...a4221226.shtml
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> when we opened the window at night, we heard thousands of frogs croaking
> their spring song from the rice fields nearby.
>
> http://www.webscapades.com/cust-feedback.htm
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> During the late summer, you had to be careful where you stepped. Thousands
> of frogs hopped around on the ground, a product of the monsoon season, and
> the rice paddies that were everywhere. Patty hated to step on them, but
> sometimes it just happened. The corridor and ready room floors were always a
> mess due to frog guts from their boots.
>
> http://ed-thelen.org/gatto_40-44.html
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