Karen Winter, 60-ish career wastrel and bird-diddlier and schismatic,
whined:
> chico chupacabra wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > questions about my
> > motivations, e.g., "What denomination are you and why are you here?"
>
> That's reasonable. I don't know why you are so hostile to
> *** people in the church unless I know what religious
> group you came from. A lot of it is cultural ignorance
> or literalist Biblical interpretation. People who come
> from denominations with a different approach to studying
> the Bible, like classical Anglicans/Episcopalians, are
> often more open to other interpretations.
>
> And a lot of it comes from *** people being more visible.
> Derek couldn't have done what he did to us

What did Derek "do" to you, Karen?


> while we were in California,

Thanks for the indirect acknowledgment you are Karen Winter.


> because people in the church there knew us.

Did the people in the churches you attended in California *or* New
Mexico know of your advocacy of pedophilia and your championing the
interests of [retch] "responsible pedophiles"? Did they know about
Sylvia's dangerous hatred for all children?


> We had friends, I'd been involved in altar guild and
> licensed by the bishop as a Lay Eucharistic Minister,
> been sponsored for Cursillo and attended, given altar
> vessels and other things to my parish, and so on. People
> would have known what Derek claimed was ridiculous.

What did Derek claim, Karen? He didn't claim anything. He forwarded
your uncoerced writings, your blurting out of your loathsome values, to
the rector of St. Bede's Episcopal church, and now, apparently, to the
rector of the Holy Faith Episcopal church. If he had noticed that you
lived in Antioch in Northern California and had looked up a list of
Episcopal churches in that area, he might well have sent the same
material to any church officials' e-mail addresses he could find for
that area, too.


> But here, no one knew us very well, and they were willing
> to accept Derek's wild accusations at face value. I think
> that was why he waited to attack us until we moved.

You really are losing your grip. It's simply astonishing that you
don't seem to understand *at all* that the the legally responsible
people at an institution like a church have both a moral and a legal
obligation to take information like that contained in Derek's e-mails
very seriously. You can blabber until you're blue in the face that
laws concerning pedophilia are wrong, but your society is vehemently
against your position.

Derek made *no* accusations against you at all, based on the material
he said he sent to two church rectors. Rather, he provided them with
written statements you have freely made, statements which clearly place
you far outside the community standards of morality and protection of
children. People at St. Bede's, at least, take their responsbilities
seriously enough that they apparently initiated discussions with you
that led to your _de facto_ expulsion from that church. We'd all be
very curious to know what discussions you might have with the rector of
Holy Faith if you have any at all.


> The same is true of *** people in general. When ***
> people can come out in the church and be involved
> openly in congregations and ministries, even be
> clergy, people see they are just people, fellow
> Christians, sinners like all of us, but no more so
> than other Christians.

There are doctrinal reasons why many people in the Episcopal and other
churches believe that to be wrong. You don't get to revise the
doctrine merely for your convenience, and you don't get to take a
cafeteria approach to church doctrine.


> That has happened over the
> last several decades in places like California and New
> Hampshire In places like Africa, where gays are still
> invisible in many places,

Here we go again: white liberal westerners disparaging third world
people of color.