rick wrote:
> "Beach Runner" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > rick wrote:
> >> "Beach Runner" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Arthur Brain wrote:
> >> >> nemo wrote:>
> >> >> As part of a balanced, and varied diet, my beef will allow
> >> >> me
> >> >> to grow
> >> >> strong, while you vegans grow stunted, pale and pasty with
> >> >> poor
> >> >> eyesight and thin brittle bones.
> >> >
That's the first silly statement. Poor eyesight, pale, pasty,
eyesight.
That's absurd.


> >> > Your beef will increase cardio vascular disease,
> >> > osteoperosis,
> >> > cancer
> >> > of the colon, lacks any fiber, is pumped full of
> >> > hormones,many
> >> > with
> >> > antibitotics,
> >> > and wasting much energy and especially water. Growing and
> >> > rendering a
> >> > cow
> >> > uses enough water to float a battleship.
> >> ===============================
> >> Actually, NO to all your claims above fool.
> >>
> >> Tell us about all the wasted water especially. I'm anxious to
> >> hear that particular ly from you...
> >>
> > Sir, perhaps you might start to do the arithmetic.
> ================
> Idiot, you might first learn a thing or two...
>
>
> First you have
> > all the water requirements to grow for 12 times as much produce
> > as if people simply ate the produce.
> =============================
> "produce?" Fed to cattle? What a hoot!!! Show me any
> requirement to feed "produce" to beef cattle...

Most of the corn grown in America is feed to cattle. Cattle is a
produce.

> Then, again, give me the numbers for this extrme amount of
> 'wasted' water. Why can't you do that?
>
>
>
> Then you have to supply the
> > water to the cattle. Not a huge amount. The a huge amount
> > of water is required to render the animal.
> =======================
> ROTFLMAO
>
If you'd like the data from a non biased source, simply go to
http://wrrc.p2pays.org/p2rx/subsecti...TOKEN=71483890

This is from professional documentation on the Waste Reduction Resource
Center.

"Meat Processing Water Consumption: Like many other food processing
activities, the necessity for hygiene and quality control in meat
processing results in high water usage and consequently high wastewater
generation. Volumes of wastewater from meat processing are generally
80-95 percent of the total freshwater consumption (MRC, 1995). The
United Nations Environmental Program, Cleaner Production Assessment in
Meat Processing (2000), estimates a range of 1,100 to 4,400 gallons of
water are used per live weight ton of slaughtered animal in the United
States. Between 44-60 percent of water is consumed in the slaughter,
evisceration and boning areas (MRC, 1995). The following table
illustrates the breakdown of water consumption in beef and pork
processing based on a study of Australian abattoirs."


> >
> > There are many places on the network this can be easily
> > verified.
> > Here's one of many URLs.
> > http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/classes/...es/hunger1.htm
> ====================
> Hype and propaganda, fool....
> Wanna know how I know? This little ly that keeps getting passed
> on and on by AR/vegan loons without any cite.
> "...50% of the water withdrawn every year in the US to irrigate
> crops fed to livestock and to wash away manure..."
> Here's a site that will expalin water withdrawals in the US to
> you. It's written for school children, but you should be able to
> follow along...
> http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/totpie95.html
>
> Total irragation, livestock, and aquaculture withdrawals are only
> about 36%.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Your knowledge of osteoporsis is clearly nil. You might
> >> > choose
> >> > to read
> >> > the "Bone Density Diet" by Dr. George Kesller, foremost
> >> > expert
> >> > on
> >> > Osteoporosis.
> >> > Meat leaches calcium from the cells, and should be eaten
> >> > sparingly if
> >> > at all. There is no reason at all the eat meat.
> >
> > And of course, you made the claim that beef is somehow good
> > for osteoporosis. I suggest you might want to read
> > the Bone Density Diet, by Dr. George Kessler, the foremost
> > expert on Osteoporosis. He provides all the equations.
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > This ignored that suffering of factory manufactured cattle.
> >> ===================
> >> Why do you ignore the far more brutal, inhumane deaths that
> >> aniomals suffer in the factory-farming of your veggies,
> >> hypocrite?
> >>
> >
> > That's a silly argument. Of course there are collateral
> > damages.
> > But you only need to eat a fraction of the produce necessary.
> > In any
> > case, mechanized production of harvesting is not the same as
> > taking
> > animals and using them as products.
> ============================
> Really? Why not fool? Aren't they just as dead? Why does the
> method of their death matter so much to you? Why does the
> disposition of the bodies mean so much to you? Why is it that
> the far more brutal, inhumane deaths that animals experience in
> factory-farmed veggies mean nothing to you?
>
First, the degree is far less. Secondly, all that collateral damage
would
occur with production for cattle, only far more. And then there of
course
is intention.
>
> >
> >
> > Once again, you have failed to address the original error you
> > posted,
> > that somehow eating beef avoids osteoporosis. Beef does not
> > contain anything but trace amounts of
> > calcium, but large amounts of calcium are required to break it
> > down.
> ==========================
> http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/16/v...m_myths_05.htm
>
Oh your kidding. Mercola? That quack? Next you'll quote Dr.
Atkinson.
Of course, you stuck Osteoporosis and Beef into google and you came up
with Mercola. Big freaking deal.

Do you know anything about how calcium is used in in the body? The
effect of phosphoric acid and why it effects calcium levels? Just be
honest.
Do you understand the relationship of calcium to protein?


>
>
> >
> > A quick google search will show some sites which support
> > eating beef. It's pretty funny to see who supports it.
> =======================
> A quick search also does not say to avoid meat altogether...

Who cares if people avoid meat altogether. That's not what I responded
to. I responded to your statement that eating meat will avoid
osteoporosis.

>
>
> >
> > Frankly, anyone that can't understand that eating food that
> > requires
> > 10 to 12 times more produce, drinks water it's entire life, and
> > is
> > ignorant
> > and about the use of water in rendering, (which uses more water
> > than
> > the rest put together) lacks the basic understanding to engage
> > in
> > anything but emotional diatribes.
> ============================
> LOL The ignorance is all yours, fool. I've provided data, now

What data? You provided a pointer to a quack.

> it's YOUR turn to back up some of your ignorant spews and lys.
> I'll wait... The only one here with nothing but emotional spew
> is you fool. You've yet to back up your lys and delusions.
>
amazing....
>
> >
> > If you can offer some science, let me know. Till them, remain
> > ignorant.
> > Enjoy your heart disease. You might want to get a dexa scan
> > and
> > see where you really are. Frankly, meat isn't the main cause of
> > the
> > huge explosion of osteoporosis, it's drinking soda. But, I'm
> > sure
> > you didn't know that.
> >
> > Oh yes genius, enjoy eating your "aniomals"
> =============================
> LOL I rest my case, you have nothing, killer. Should I now
> submit all posts to you for spell-checking? At least maybe
> you'll be useful at something.
>
The original discussion was on osteoporosis. The tremendous
consumption of water. The third is your inability to discuss
something without emotional displays.

>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Have Run
> >> > Bob
> >> >
> >