dh@. wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:57:20 +0100, "Old Codger"
> > wrote:
>
>> Pat Gardiner wrote:
>>> <dh@.> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:29:36 +0100, "Old Codger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:33:46 +0100, "Pat Gardiner"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jim Webster" > wrote in
>>>>>>> message ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <dh@.> asked
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think we get more browny points for
>>>>>>>>>> applying the Logic of the Talking Pig than the Logic
>>>>>>>>>> of the Larder?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The Logic of the Talking Pig" instructs us to use animals as
>>>>>>>>> we see fit, breed them, pen them up, kill them and make them
>>>>>>>>> into patties, if that's what we want to do, but don't add
>>>>>>>>> insult to injury by proclaiming that by doing so we are doing
>>>>>>>>> them a favor, as "The Logic of the Larder" says we ought to
>>>>>>>>> do. That only diminishes us as human beings. This raises the
>>>>>>>>> question once again, why do you find it necessary to spread
>>>>>>>>> this gospel? What deep-rooted guilt you must feel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but who actually cares one way or another whether he feels
>>>>>>>> guilt or not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eat meat if you like it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think it is a proper activity for the President of the
>>>>>>> Cumbria Land and Business Association to be spending his days
>>>>>>> agressively arguing with animal rights and welfare activists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think he should never argue with them in public forums?
>>>>>> Do you
>>>>>> think no one should ever oppose them in public forums?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't you find some work to do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pointing out the dishonesty and absurdity involved with "ar"
>>>>>> is a respectable thing that MORE people should be doing, not
>>>>>> less! It seems that anyone who
>>>>>> supports the raising of domestic animals, and especially decent
>>>>>> animal welfare, should oppose "ar" when it's convenient to do
>>>>>> so...maybe you should try it yourself instead of complaining
>>>>>> because someone else does it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You claim to be a working farmer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then it's a nice but strange change to see a farmer oppose
>>>>>> "ar". MORE farmers should do it, not less! Duh!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, your signature is defamatory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's true even so, then he's not the one at fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat has been raving about bent vets for over six years and, to
>>>>> date, has had
>>>>> no discernable effect so I think Jim's sig is the truth. Pat's
>>>>> legal knowledge seems very limited, even for an ex docker.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like Pat has no complaint then. I don't know anything
>>>> about bent vets, by I do feel it's way past time that farmers
>>>> started sticking up for themselves. Some of the animals raised for
>>>> food
>>>> have decent lives of positive value, and I believe it's way past
>>>> time that farmers stop letting "aras" get away with their lying to
>>>> the contrary. If they're really as stupid and ignorant as they
>>>> claim, or even more so if they're aware of the truth and are
>>>> deliberately lying about it (as I believe is often the case), the
>>>> truth should be used to oppose their lies until everyone sees them
>>>> for the liars that they are, imo.
>>>
>>> Just for the record, and to put Brian Burgess's nonsense into
>>> context...
>>> Far from being an ex-docker, honourable that that occupation is,
>>> despite the obvious slight by Brian. I find that surprising for an
>>> Essex man, who should know better. However he seems to have some
>>> chip on his shoulder about his last employer...I don't know the
>>> details...probably just a whinger who collects his pension and
>>> complains endlessly
>>
>> "...I don't know the details.." Rather surprising since you think
>> you know so much. Haven't your contacts given you that piece of
>> information or isn't your imagination good enough to invent it to go
>> with the rest of your inventions?
>>
>>> I founded and ran 17 companies including PLC's and joint companies
>>> with overseas companies before retiring still in my 40s. I was
>>> usually both the majority shareholder and the Chiarman. No busters,
>>> no bad debts - an impecable record of which I'm proud. Be my guest -
>>> check.
>>> My full name is George Patrick Gardiner and a quick search of Google
>>> Groups and Companies House will confirm the above.
>>
>> Just search Google Groups, read Pat's posts and then make up your
>> own mind on George Patrick Gardiner, if that *is* his real name. I
>> suspect you might conclude that his claims are as fanciful as the
>> rest of his posts.
>>
>>> Most of these people are the kind of losers that infest British
>>> agriculture and make it a laughing stock throughout the world.
>>
>> See what I mean, fanciful.
>>
>>> In fairness Brian is just a malcontent recruited by Jim Webster,
>>> President of the Cumbria Branch of the Country Land and Business
>>> Association as a fall guy.
>>
>> Not recruited by anyone and Jim does not post as anything but an
>> ordinary farmer, which he is.
>
> Pat is the one who keeps bringing that up.
>
>>> A quick check will reveal that Brian loiters about uk.idiot.legal
>>> and suffers from the delusion that he understands the law.
>>
>> Not at all, I have some understanding on a few aspects of the law,
>> not all of the law by any means.
>>
>>> He is just another victim of Jim Webster. Take it easy on him. I do.
>>
>> Fanciful again.
>
> So much BS. Why?

Precisely!

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