On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:43:16 +0100, "Pat Gardiner" > wrote:

>
><dh@.> wrote in message ...
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:29:36 +0100, "Old Codger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>dh@. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:33:46 +0100, "Pat Gardiner"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jim Webster" > wrote in
>>>>> message ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <dh@.> asked
>>>>>>>> Why do you think we get more browny points for
>>>>>>>> applying the Logic of the Talking Pig than the Logic
>>>>>>>> of the Larder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Logic of the Talking Pig" instructs us to use animals as we
>>>>>>> see fit, breed them, pen them up, kill them and make them into
>>>>>>> patties, if that's what we want to do, but don't add insult to
>>>>>>> injury by proclaiming that by doing so we are doing them a favor,
>>>>>>> as "The Logic of the Larder" says we ought to do. That only
>>>>>>> diminishes us as human beings. This raises the question once
>>>>>>> again, why do you find it necessary to spread this gospel? What
>>>>>>> deep-rooted guilt you must feel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but who actually cares one way or another whether he feels guilt or
>>>>>> not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> eat meat if you like it
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it is a proper activity for the President of the
>>>>> Cumbria Land and Business Association to be spending his days
>>>>> agressively arguing with animal rights and welfare activists.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think he should never argue with them in public forums? Do
>>>> you
>>>> think no one should ever oppose them in public forums?
>>>>
>>>>> Can't you find some work to do?
>>>>
>>>> Pointing out the dishonesty and absurdity involved with "ar" is a
>>>> respectable thing that MORE people should be doing, not less! It
>>>> seems that anyone who
>>>> supports the raising of domestic animals, and especially decent
>>>> animal welfare, should oppose "ar" when it's convenient to do
>>>> so...maybe you should try it yourself instead of complaining because
>>>> someone else does it.
>>>>
>>>>> You claim to be a working farmer.
>>>>
>>>> Then it's a nice but strange change to see a farmer oppose "ar".
>>>> MORE farmers should do it, not less! Duh!!!
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, your signature is defamatory.
>>>>
>>>> If it's true even so, then he's not the one at fault.
>>>
>>>Pat has been raving about bent vets for over six years and, to date, has
>>>had
>>>no discernable effect so I think Jim's sig is the truth. Pat's legal
>>>knowledge seems very limited, even for an ex docker.
>>
>> Sounds like Pat has no complaint then. I don't know anything
>> about bent vets, by I do feel it's way past time that farmers started
>> sticking up for themselves. Some of the animals raised for food
>> have decent lives of positive value, and I believe it's way past
>> time that farmers stop letting "aras" get away with their lying to
>> the contrary. If they're really as stupid and ignorant as they claim,
>> or even more so if they're aware of the truth and are deliberately
>> lying about it (as I believe is often the case), the truth should be
>> used to oppose their lies until everyone sees them for the liars
>> that they are, imo.
>
>Just for the record, and to put Brian Burgess's nonsense into context...
>
>Far from being an ex-docker, honourable that that occupation is, despite the
>obvious slight by Brian. I find that surprising for an Essex man, who should
>know better. However he seems to have some chip on his shoulder about his
>last employer...I don't know the details...probably just a whinger who
>collects his pension and complains endlessly
>
>I founded and ran 17 companies including PLC's and joint companies with
>overseas companies before retiring still in my 40s. I was usually both the
>majority shareholder and the Chiarman. No busters, no bad debts - an
>impecable record of which I'm proud. Be my guest - check.
>
>My full name is George Patrick Gardiner and a quick search of Google Groups
>and Companies House will confirm the above.
>
>Most of these people are the kind of losers that infest British agriculture
>and make it a laughing stock throughout the world.

Everyone can't have the success you had, if it's all for real. I still feel
that people involved with agriculture should point out the dishonesty of
"aras" so everyone understands though...

>In fairness Brian is just a malcontent recruited by Jim Webster, President
>of the Cumbria Branch of the Country Land and Business Association as a fall
>guy.
>
>A quick check will reveal that Brian loiters about uk.idiot.legal and
>suffers from the delusion that he understands the law.
>
>He is just another victim of Jim Webster. Take it easy on him. I do.

What they complain about could still be a legitimate complaint,
regardless of how they do and don't have influence on each other.