dh@. wrote:
> On Fri, 05 May 2006 20:02:39 -0500, Ms Libertarian > wrote:
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>>"Marc Frisch" > wrote :
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>>>> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
>>>> of
>>>>wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
>>>>buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
>>>
>>>What's your point? Every vegans knows that. The fact that
>>>you can't avoid causing suffering is not a very good excuse
>>>to cause as much as you want.
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>>All living beings are mortal and suffer when they die.
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> Yes, and that's something that should always be kept in mind.
> Many many creatures suffer more than animals who are raised
> for food, and almost all of them should. What type death could
> cause less suffering than humane human slaughter? So we see
> that the method of death is no worse for the animals we raise
> to eat than it is for almost everything else, and we see that
> raising animals for food *provides* life for billions of them, not
> cheat them out of something better. That being the case, it
> still remains a mystery what other than the "aras" themselves
> would benefit from their objective to eliminate animals raised
> for food, if anything, and why we should promote that instead.
>
>
>>It is the way of the Force.
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>
> What's the Force?
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>
>>Sure animals should be humanely treated and killed.
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>
> They aren't being cheated out of any life as "aras" would
> like people to believe they are. From there some of us can
> consider which of their lives would be of positive value and
> which would not, and others of them can not. It's amusing,
> and it's pathetic that "aras" who want to pretend that they
> have some interest in animals, are not even capable of
> considering whether or not billions of animals' lives would be
> worth living. But they can't do that first basic thing...LOL...
> even though they like to consider themselves some sort of
> authority on human influence on animals. The absurdity begins
> right at the beginning...
>
>
>>I'm against
>>what I've heard about premarin production, for example, and wish
>>they could manufacture a synthetic form of it so that mares
>>didn't have to be abused like that.
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> They spend at least half their life grazing in huge pastures
> from what little I've seen about it. If they don't have lives
> of positive value overall, then they should be made to be imo,
> so it works out well for them and humans both. Why not?
those who want heart disease, eat the animals...those who do not, do
not. There's more to the Vegan story than animal suffering, but then you
don't care about THAT part....