On Sat, 06 May 2006 19:48:16 -0500, Ms Libertarian > wrote:

>dh@. wrote :
>
>> Right. If and when livestock are provided with lives of
>> positive
>> value, it's made possible by the consumers of their products,
>> but certainly not by vegans.
>
>Yeah, if vegans had their way, we'd have sacred cows walking around
>the streets starving, like in India.

They pretend stuff like that, but since PeTA kills so many unwanted
dogs and cats we certainly don't have any reason to believe that "ar"
would allow livestock to just roam around like they don't let dogs and
cats. If they believed the crap they pretend to they'd be freeing dogs
and cats, or not catching them up in the first place, but they would't
be killing them. To continue with an examination of why it's bullshit
we only need to consider the fact that they never turn animals loose
like that, meaning it's a bad idea and some of them are aware of it.
"ar" is all a bunch of garbage for people to make money with when
your break it all the way down, afaik. I can think of one example of
situations where "aras" release some animals, and it's always a
horrible thing that causes more suffering than would have been
if they had just minded their own business--as is true of their
terrorism toward medical research--but we never hear of them
creating thriving populations of free animals from once domesticated
ones because it's a stupid idea and will never happen. Unfortunately
there are enough people who don't/can't think it through, that "aras"
can get millions of dollars each year to support their bullshit.