"Anon" > wrote in message
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>
> >
> > From your hyper-defensive reaction to my post, I would have to guess
> > you're vegan. So you "practice" a marginal extremist politic which
> > hypocritically judges people by what they eat, not by what they do,
> > without any consideration for what your consumption actually does. In
> > short, you attribute virtue to yourself for not eating meat even though
> > your diet and lifestyle cause many animals to die. This makes you a
> > hypocrite.
> >
>
> I felt that I was being attacked and responded appropriately. Once
> again I will repeat: You do not know me and you do not know what I
> practice. I am not vegan. I eat a lacto-vegetarian diet which is the
diet


Then what do you practice? Please explain your lacto-vegitarian diet and why
you have chosen to practice it so that I can more fully understand.


>
> > Your hypocrisy is exacerbated the moment you distinguish it as a virtue
> > by comparing yourself to others, particularly with regard to
> > spirituality. Vegans are charlatans, and that especially seems to be the
> > case when "veganism" is trumped as a sign of one's spirituality: the
> > Eastern religions adopted by Western vegans tend to allow for
> > consumption of meat.
>
> Please show me where I indicated that I was more virtuous than someone
> else because of my diet.. or for any reason. If you can show me that
> I've done that then I will apologize.
>
> In reagrds to Eastern religions allowing for consumption of meat.. you
> are assuming that religion is a static, rigid entity that allows or
> forbids certain behaviors. This is simply not the case. There are
> factions within each religious movement that practice different things,
> condsider certain texts more important, etc. Religion cannot allow or
> disallow anything. I was never talking about religion anyway (in the
> sense that most people understand it)
>
> >
> > Buddha ate meat; there are no prohibitions against meat consumption in
> > Buddhism, nor is there a sliding scale of virtue in Buddhism based upon
> > diet -- quite the opposite. Meat is also allowed in Hinduism, Islam, and
> > Judaism; there are adherents of each of those religions who will ascribe
> > abstinence of meat as a virtue, but it's not universally held in those
> > religions. Jesus said that it isn't what goes into one's mouth that
> > makes him or her holy, and St Paul wrote that people shouldn't judge one
> > another according to whether or not they eat meat.
> >
>
> I am well aware of the various practices amoung traditions. Once again,
> I am not talking about religion. Anyone can claim to be anything and do
> anything. That does not make it spiritual and that does not make it
> true. It would be a waste of time to get into the various reasons why
> certain "Hindu" (although this term is EXTREMELY problematic) do not eat
> meat or do eat meat or believe in God or are atheistic or wear certian
> clothes or wear no clothes at all. This would be absurd.
>
> Also, different traditions will say different things. Some will say
> that the Buddha ate meat because they eat meat. Others will say that he
> did not becuase they do not. This kind of discussion is pointless.
> Neither one of us knows for sure if the Buddha ate meat or not. Period.
>
>
> > Ultimately, though, veganism is misanthropic. Vegans oppose the world
> > around them and feebly try to isolate themselves from it. It's an
> > attempt -- a feeble one given that, when counting deaths of animals,
> > veganism is shown to be an empty gesture -- by immature Western
> > urbanites to cope with failure in other, significant areas of their
> > lives. They're openly hostile and antagonistic towards their surrounding
> > cultures. Veganism has less to do with animals and compassion than
> > rejecting the values of one's culture. That gets us right back to what
> > I've already written, that veganism then becomes the shoddy, false
> > standard by which morally feeble people like you judge yourself and
others.
> >
>
> It must be nice to be able to place entire groups of people into a
> simple ideological box. I cannot help but remember that we are all
> individuals with individual choices based on individual experiences.
>
>
> > Finally, you presume that veganism is about diet. That's wrong. Veganism
> > is political and pseudo-philosophical. It has nothing to do with what
> > people eat than their phony gestures to the sham ideal that "if I don't
> > eat animals, no animals die." And that matter has been dealt with
> > exhaustively in AFV.
>
> I am not vegan. I realize that you say that it's political and
> pseudo-philosophical, but that tells me absolutely nothing.





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