Thanks for the kind comments of mike and others and even Trevor. Of course
I try to give good advice, especially to nug's. They need it more than the
more experienced winemaker who can take what any of us say with a grain of
salt and blend it with what they do rather than doing it by wrote. I spent
many years making wine with the help of only a few friends like Paul Leamon
and for course C.J.J. Berry, though I never met the man. Then I found this
group and have truely learned a lot. Much of my advice comes from what I
have learned by applying what I picked up here so certainly I should give
back.

One of those that I have learned much from it Trevor and I have always
apreceiated what he has written in relation to winemaking and I do not mind
his being a bit crochety. But I am sorry that he has lost touch with the
beginner. I would welcome him back in his old capacity of a few years ago
when he was truely helpful. I will miss him. I think what has happended,
and he can certainly jump on me if I am wrong, is that he has lost interest
in beginners but he stops back by every now and then to see if the group has
changed. Of course the goup has not and in my opinion should not so he
continues to be dissapointed and can not resist the urge to say so. Hope he
changes his mind in the future or he find a proffestional group where he
might fit in better.

Ray