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> rick wrote:
>> > wrote in message
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>> > rick wrote:
>> >> > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Dutch wrote:
>> >> >> > wrote
>> >> >> > So, as I say, at the moment I'm comfortable with being
>> >> >> > vegan
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > advocating veganism, but I'm open to exploring
>> >> >> > alternatives.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A vegan exploring alternatives is an oxymoron. If you
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> prepared to
>> >> >> explore alternatives to the simplistic idea of veganism
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> you aren't a
>> >> >> vegan. If I tell a vegan that I can improve their diet
>> >> >> wrt
>> >> >> animal death and
>> >> >> suffering by substituting some fish or game, he will
>> >> >> always
>> >> >> find a way to
>> >> >> deny, equivocate or refuse to listen to that idea.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll be a vegan as long as I avoid meat, fish, dairy, and
>> >> > eggs.
>> >> > If I
>> >> > ever stop doing that, then I won't be a vegan anymore. If
>> >> > you
>> >> > tell me
>> >> > that you can improve my diet with respect to animal
>> >> > suffering
>> >> > by
>> >> > substituting some fish or game, I'll ask you for the
>> >> > detailed
>> >> > evidence.
>> >> ==========================
>> >> Then you should be able to provide evidence that your vegan
>> >> diet
>> >> automatically means you kill fewer animals.
>> >
>> > Why? I never made that claim.
>> ==============
>> Then you should reread what you said above. Either that, or
>> you
>> are saying that your veggies kill NO animals since you claimed
>> we
>> have no right to kill animals for our food.
>>
>> >
>> > I have actually produced some evidence. It's not conclusive.
>> > But I'll
>> > wait until I hear at least some counter-evidence before I
>> > make
>> > any
>> > changes to my diet.
>> ===================
>> I've seen no evidence from you at all to support the vegan
>> claims
>> of being 'better.'
>
> The Gaverick Matheny article.
> ======================
He cites no evidence...



>> But the point I'm making is that you don't
>> have to change by eating meat. You refuse to even compare the
>> foods you do eat, and make changes there as to which ones
>> cause
>> more/less animal death and suffering. That alone puts the ly
>> to
>> your relegion of veganism.
>>
>
> As I told you, I have made some attempt to compare the amounts
> of harm
> caused by production of the different crops. When I find some
> decent
> data on this, I'll change my eating habits accordingly.
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No, you haven't, obviously. You haven't looked at bananas, even
though you eat them. You're a liar, plain and simple, with
nothing but a simple rule for your simple mind.


>
>>
>> >
>> >> Or, in the very least, you should be able to tell us which
>> >> foods
>> >> that you do eat cause more/less death and suffering. Is
>> >> rice
>> >> better than potatoes? Brocolli better than corn? Bananas
>> >> better
>> >> than apples? The fact is, you don't know, and don't care
>> >> since
>> >> you have your simple rule for your simple mind, 'eat no
>> >> meat.'
>> >
>> > No, I don't know. I do care and have made some effort to
>> > find
>> > out, but
>> > not much research has been done on these issues.
>> ======================
>> Then why are you so adament that being vegan is better than
>> anything else? faith? Yep, veganism is a relegion.
>>
>
> I'm not.
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Yes, you have been...


>
>>
>> >
>> >> Being vegan is also more than a diet.
>> >> Why is the unnecessary death and suffering of animals for
>> >> your
>> >> entertainment just fine, but we can't eat them?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Unnecessary suffering is not just fine. I'm not altogether
>> > convinced
>> > that electricity production is unnecessary.
>> ==========================
>> What part of your being here on this newsgroup is necessary?
>> You
>> contribute to an ever growing demand for more power and
>> communications for no more reason than *your* entertainment.
>>
>
> Would you care to estimate the expected contribution to the
> amount of
> harm caused to animals by my usage of Usenet? I really think it
> would
> be pretty miniscule. I agree it's unnecessary, but I'm not
> convinced
> that making every reasonable effort not to provide financial
> support to
> institutions or practices that cause or support unnecessary
> harm
> requires me to stop using Usenet.
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So, now you've switched from it's not ok to kill animals
unnecessarily, like for entertainment, to some animals killed for
your entertainment is ok? What a hoot! Guess you're really only
a vegan when it doesn't mean too much sacrifice on your lifestyle
and entertainment, eh hypocrite? You are making no such efforts
to avoid rewarding people that kill animals for your lifestyle
and entertainment, killer.



>
>>
>> >
>> > But no, any unnecessary suffering and death of animals that
>> > is
>> > really
>> > being caused purely for my entertainment is not just fine.
>> ==========================
>> Then again, you're lying about really caring about killing
>> animals, aren't you?
>>
>
> No.
=========================
Yes, you are. maybe you can convenice yourself, but the lys are
right here, obvious to any reader without vegan willful ignorance
filters.



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