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> >> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
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> >> >> >> > rick wrote:
> >> >> > <..>
> >> >> >> >> Not really. The resources used to keep a cow alive is
> >> >> >> >> quite
> >> >> >> >> combatible with wild animals in the same habitat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 'Animal Enemies
> >> >> ===========================
> >> >> mono-culture crop fields, fool...
> >> >
> >> > Grain for feed, hay and silage...
> >> ======================
> >> Food for fools....
> >
> > Feed for animals for fat for fools like you.
> ===================
> Hardly killer. The beef I eat isn't fed any feeds. Too bad for
> you, eh loser?

You are lying. Even if 'grass fed', the animals are given
hay or silage during winter months.

> > Um... no refutation of anything below, etter? Time you left, troll.
> ======================
> Nothing to it troll... You post your typical spew...

Address it then.
[i]
> >> How many mono-culture crop
> >> fields do you suppose it takes to feed the same elk, sheep,
> >> and
> >> deer? Where do you think that they are allowed to eat those
> >> crops, dave? It's still a bogus example. grazing cattle
> >> don't
> >> require the millions and millions of acres of destroyed
> >> habitat
> >> that your crops do.
> >
> > 302 million hectares of destroyed habitat, ricky. 272 million hectares
> > in pasture and about 30 million hectares for cultivated feed grains.
> >
> > 'Numerous historical accounts do confirm drastic, detrimental changes
> > in plant and animal life, soil, water, and fire conditions throughout most
> > of the West. These reports progressively establish livestock grazing as
> > the biggest single perpetrator of these changes, particularly considering
> > that it was the only significant land use over most of the West.
> > One of the most useful and informative descriptions of the early West
> > was that of Meriweather Lewis and William Clark on their famous
> > expedition across the northern Midwest, Rockies, and Pacific
> > Northwest from 1804 to 1806 (Thwaites 1959). Their descriptions of
> > the unconquered West are of a world we can scarcely imagine:
> > landscapes filled with wildlife; great diversities of lush vegetation; highly
> > productive, free-flowing rivers, creeks, and springs; abundant, dark,
> > fertile soil; unaltered, unimpeded fire and other natural processes. Of
> > the Montana plains, one excerpt from Clark reads, "we observe in
> > every direction Buffalow, Elk Antelopes & Mule Deer inumerable and
> > so jintle that we could approach them near with great ease." Another
> > states, We saw a great number of buffaloe, Elk, common and Black
> > tailed deer, goats [pronghorn] beaver and wolves. ..
> >
> > In the West today only ungrazed Yellowstone National Park supports
> > nearly this variety and density of large wild animals. ..
> >
> > Lewis and Clark's and other historic journals attest that buffalo, elk,
> > deer, bighorns, pronghorn, mountain goats, moose, horses, grizzly
> > and black bears, wolves, foxes, cougars, bobcats, beaver, muskrats,
> > river otters, fish, porcupines, wild turkeys and other "game" birds,
> > waterfowl, snakes, prairie dogs and other rodents, most insects, and
> > the vast majority of wild animals were all many times more abundant
> > then than now. So too were native plants; the journals describe a
> > great abundance and diversity of grasses and herbaceous vegetation,
> > willows and deciduous trees, cattails, rushes, sedges, wild grapes,
> > chokecherries, currants, wild cherries and plums, gooseberries,
> > "red" and "yellow" berries, service berries, flax, dock, wild garlic and
> > onions, sunflowers, wild roses, tansy, honeysuckle, mints, and more,
> > a large number being edible. Most of these plants have been depleted
> > through the many effects of livestock grazing for 100 years and are
> > today comparatively scarce.
> > .......'
> > Livestock Grazing: Enviro. Effects
> > http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter3.html
> >
> > Global Perspective
> > http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html
> >
> >> > 'n the eyes of graziers, basically there are 3 requirements
> >> > for an acceptable environment -- grass, water, and livestock
> >> > to eat and drink them. All else is questionable, if not
> >> > expendable, a possible hindrance to profit and power.
> >> >
> >> > The ranching establishment's assault on the environment,
> >> > therefore, includes campaigns against a huge number and
> >> > wide variety of animals. Most of the score or so native large
> >> > mammal species in the West have been decimated by ranching,
> >> > both intentionally through slaughtering efforts and indirectly
> >> > through the harmful effects of livestock grazing and ranching
> >> > developments. Indeed, most larger and a great many smaller
> >> > animal species are in some way assailed as enemies. The
> >> > mass carnage carried out for the sake of privately owned
> >> > livestock continues today throughout the grazed 70% of the
> >> > West, including public lands, and even in adjacent ungrazed
> >> > areas.
> >> >
> >> > Though definitions given by ranching advocates vary, most
> >> > animal enemies fall into 4 main subdivisions: Carnivores and
> >> > omnivores are (1) predators if able to kill a sheep, calf, or
> >> > goat. Herbivores are (2) competitors if they eat enough forage
> >> > or browse to decrease the amount available to livestock.
> >> > Many smaller animal species are (3) pests if they occur in
> >> > large enough numbers to affect production in some manner.
> >> > And a huge number of animals are considered (4) no- goods,
> >> > inherently "no good" because they are perceived as possessing
> >> > some offensive characteristic.
> >> > http://www.wasteofthewest/chapter4/page7.html
> >> > Next page-
> >> > http://www.wasteofthewest/chapter4/page8.html
> >> >
> >> >> > It was a terrible example on my part. Here's a better one,
> >> >> > courtesy of Pearl:
> >> >> > 'Wyoming state biologists have estimated that one cow eats
> >> >> > enough forage to support 6.9 bighorn sheep, 10.8 antelope,
> >> >> > 7.8 deer or 2.1 elk.'
> >> >> > http://www.organicconsumers.org/corp/cattle_grazing.cfm
> >> >> =========================
> >> >> Right. No biases there, eh dave? How many mono-culture
> >> >> crop
> >> >> fields do you suppose it takes to feed the same elk, sheep,
> >> >> and
> >> >> deer? Where do you think that they are allowed to eat
> >> >> those
> >> >> crops, dave? It's still a bogus example. grazing cattle
> >> >> don't
> >> >> require the millions and millions of acres of destroyed
> >> >> habitat that your crops do.
> >> >
> >> > 'The 7 billion livestock animals in the United States consume
> >> > five times as much grain as is consumed directly by the entire
> >> > American population.
> >> ======================
> >> I see you cannot answer the question, killer...
> >
> > "Where .."? Try on the 302 million hectares now used for livestock.
> >
> > And aren't you forgetting something, 'mr. field-mouse genius'?
> > Doesn't cropland provide habitat for the animals you're forever
> > on about.. according to you, those thousands that live and die?
> >
> >> > ..
> >> > About 26 million tons of the livestock feed comes from
> >> > grains and 15 million tons from forage crops.
> >> > ..
> >> > More than 302 million hectares of land are devoted to
> >> > producing feed for the U.S. livestock population -- about
> >> > 272 million hectares in pasture and about 30 million hectares
> >> > for cultivated feed grains.
> >> =============================
> >> And, there is NO requirement to feed cattle any grains...
> >
> > WHERE are you going to find the grazing needed to replace it?
> >
> >> > ..
> >> > http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases...stock.hrs.html
> >> >
> >> > Land used for vegetables 3,264,343 acres
> >> > (= 1,321,080 hectares)
> >> > http://ca.water.usgs.gov/pnsp/circ1131/
> >> >
> >> > Orchards, vineyards, and nursery 4,462,591 acres
> >> > (= 1,806,010 hectares)
> >> > http://ca.water.usgs.gov/pnsp/circ1131/table6.html
> >> =======================
> >> ROTFLAMO you really think these are the only crops grown for
> >> people? You really are this delusional, aren't you fool?
> >
> > Those figures sufficed to show how delusional you really are, fool.
> >
> > See other post.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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