rick wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > rick wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Dutch wrote:
> >> >> > wrote
> >> >> > So, as I say, at the moment I'm comfortable with being
> >> >> > vegan
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > advocating veganism, but I'm open to exploring
> >> >> > alternatives.
> >> >>
> >> >> A vegan exploring alternatives is an oxymoron. If you are
> >> >> prepared to
> >> >> explore alternatives to the simplistic idea of veganism
> >> >> then
> >> >> you aren't a
> >> >> vegan. If I tell a vegan that I can improve their diet wrt
> >> >> animal death and
> >> >> suffering by substituting some fish or game, he will always
> >> >> find a way to
> >> >> deny, equivocate or refuse to listen to that idea.
> >> >
> >> > I'll be a vegan as long as I avoid meat, fish, dairy, and
> >> > eggs.
> >> > If I
> >> > ever stop doing that, then I won't be a vegan anymore. If
> >> > you
> >> > tell me
> >> > that you can improve my diet with respect to animal
> >> > suffering
> >> > by
> >> > substituting some fish or game, I'll ask you for the
> >> > detailed
> >> > evidence.
> >> ==========================
> >> Then you should be able to provide evidence that your vegan
> >> diet
> >> automatically means you kill fewer animals.
> >
> > Why? I never made that claim.
> ==============
> Then you should reread what you said above. Either that, or you
> are saying that your veggies kill NO animals since you claimed we
> have no right to kill animals for our food.
>

Sorry, missed this bit the first time around. I said we have no right
to kill animals unnecessarily. I accept we probably don't have the
right to kill as many animals as we currently do in crop production. I
believe I am obliged to make every *reasonable* effort not to
financially support unnecessary harm, not every *possible* effort. I
believe that my vegan diet is one reasonable way of trying to meet this
standard. If anyone thinks there is a non-vegan diet that can do
better, I'm happy to listen to the evidence.