rick wrote:
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> oups.com...
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> > Dutch wrote:
> >> > wrote
> >> > So, as I say, at the moment I'm comfortable with being vegan
> >> > and
> >> > advocating veganism, but I'm open to exploring alternatives.
> >>
> >> A vegan exploring alternatives is an oxymoron. If you are
> >> prepared to
> >> explore alternatives to the simplistic idea of veganism then
> >> you aren't a
> >> vegan. If I tell a vegan that I can improve their diet wrt
> >> animal death and
> >> suffering by substituting some fish or game, he will always
> >> find a way to
> >> deny, equivocate or refuse to listen to that idea.
> >
> > I'll be a vegan as long as I avoid meat, fish, dairy, and eggs.
> > If I
> > ever stop doing that, then I won't be a vegan anymore. If you
> > tell me
> > that you can improve my diet with respect to animal suffering
> > by
> > substituting some fish or game, I'll ask you for the detailed
> > evidence.
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> Then you should be able to provide evidence that your vegan diet
> automatically means you kill fewer animals.

Why? I never made that claim.

I have actually produced some evidence. It's not conclusive. But I'll
wait until I hear at least some counter-evidence before I make any
changes to my diet.

> Or, in the very least, you should be able to tell us which foods
> that you do eat cause more/less death and suffering. Is rice
> better than potatoes? Brocolli better than corn? Bananas better
> than apples? The fact is, you don't know, and don't care since
> you have your simple rule for your simple mind, 'eat no meat.'

No, I don't know. I do care and have made some effort to find out, but
not much research has been done on these issues.

> Being vegan is also more than a diet.
> Why is the unnecessary death and suffering of animals for your
> entertainment just fine, but we can't eat them?
>

Unnecessary suffering is not just fine. I'm not altogether convinced
that electricity production is unnecessary.

But no, any unnecessary suffering and death of animals that is really
being caused purely for my entertainment is not just fine.

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> >