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>> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
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>> >> >> > rick wrote:
>> >> > <..>
>> >> >> >> Not really. The resources used to keep a cow alive is
>> >> >> >> quite
>> >> >> >> combatible with wild animals in the same habitat.
>> >> >
>> >> > 'Animal Enemies
>> >> ===========================
>> >> mono-culture crop fields, fool...
>> >
>> > Grain for feed, hay and silage...
>> ======================
>> Food for fools....
>
> Feed for animals for fat for fools like you.
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Hardly killer. The beef I eat isn't fed any feeds. Too bad for
you, eh loser?


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> Um... no refutation of anything below, etter? Time you left,
> troll.
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Nothing to it troll... You post your typical spew...


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>
>> >> How many mono-culture crop
>> >> fields do you suppose it takes to feed the same elk, sheep,
>> >> and
>> >> deer? Where do you think that they are allowed to eat
>> >> those
>> >> crops, dave? It's still a bogus example. grazing cattle
>> >> don't
>> >> require the millions and millions of acres of destroyed
>> >> habitat
>> >> that your crops do.
>> >
>> > 302 million hectares of destroyed habitat, ricky. 272
>> > million hectares
>> > in pasture and about 30 million hectares for cultivated feed
>> > grains.
>> >
>> > 'Numerous historical accounts do confirm drastic,
>> > detrimental changes
>> > in plant and animal life, soil, water, and fire conditions
>> > throughout most
>> > of the West. These reports progressively establish livestock
>> > grazing as
>> > the biggest single perpetrator of these changes,
>> > particularly considering
>> > that it was the only significant land use over most of the
>> > West.
>> > One of the most useful and informative descriptions of the
>> > early West
>> > was that of Meriweather Lewis and William Clark on their
>> > famous
>> > expedition across the northern Midwest, Rockies, and Pacific
>> > Northwest from 1804 to 1806 (Thwaites 1959). Their
>> > descriptions of
>> > the unconquered West are of a world we can scarcely imagine:
>> > landscapes filled with wildlife; great diversities of lush
>> > vegetation; highly
>> > productive, free-flowing rivers, creeks, and springs;
>> > abundant, dark,
>> > fertile soil; unaltered, unimpeded fire and other natural
>> > processes. Of
>> > the Montana plains, one excerpt from Clark reads, "we
>> > observe in
>> > every direction Buffalow, Elk Antelopes & Mule Deer
>> > inumerable and
>> > so jintle that we could approach them near with great ease."
>> > Another
>> > states, We saw a great number of buffaloe, Elk, common and
>> > Black
>> > tailed deer, goats [pronghorn] beaver and wolves. ..
>> >
>> > In the West today only ungrazed Yellowstone National Park
>> > supports
>> > nearly this variety and density of large wild animals. ..
>> >
>> > Lewis and Clark's and other historic journals attest that
>> > buffalo, elk,
>> > deer, bighorns, pronghorn, mountain goats, moose, horses,
>> > grizzly
>> > and black bears, wolves, foxes, cougars, bobcats, beaver,
>> > muskrats,
>> > river otters, fish, porcupines, wild turkeys and other
>> > "game" birds,
>> > waterfowl, snakes, prairie dogs and other rodents, most
>> > insects, and
>> > the vast majority of wild animals were all many times more
>> > abundant
>> > then than now. So too were native plants; the journals
>> > describe a
>> > great abundance and diversity of grasses and herbaceous
>> > vegetation,
>> > willows and deciduous trees, cattails, rushes, sedges, wild
>> > grapes,
>> > chokecherries, currants, wild cherries and plums,
>> > gooseberries,
>> > "red" and "yellow" berries, service berries, flax, dock,
>> > wild garlic and
>> > onions, sunflowers, wild roses, tansy, honeysuckle, mints,
>> > and more,
>> > a large number being edible. Most of these plants have been
>> > depleted
>> > through the many effects of livestock grazing for 100 years
>> > and are
>> > today comparatively scarce.
>> > .......'
>> > Livestock Grazing: Enviro. Effects
>> > http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter3.html
>> >
>> > Global Perspective
>> > http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html
>> >
>> >> > 'n the eyes of graziers, basically there are 3
>> >> > requirements
>> >> > for an acceptable environment -- grass, water, and
>> >> > livestock
>> >> > to eat and drink them. All else is questionable, if not
>> >> > expendable, a possible hindrance to profit and power.
>> >> >
>> >> > The ranching establishment's assault on the environment,
>> >> > therefore, includes campaigns against a huge number and
>> >> > wide variety of animals. Most of the score or so native
>> >> > large
>> >> > mammal species in the West have been decimated by
>> >> > ranching,
>> >> > both intentionally through slaughtering efforts and
>> >> > indirectly
>> >> > through the harmful effects of livestock grazing and
>> >> > ranching
>> >> > developments. Indeed, most larger and a great many
>> >> > smaller
>> >> > animal species are in some way assailed as enemies. The
>> >> > mass carnage carried out for the sake of privately owned
>> >> > livestock continues today throughout the grazed 70% of
>> >> > the
>> >> > West, including public lands, and even in adjacent
>> >> > ungrazed
>> >> > areas.
>> >> >
>> >> > Though definitions given by ranching advocates vary, most
>> >> > animal enemies fall into 4 main subdivisions: Carnivores
>> >> > and
>> >> > omnivores are (1) predators if able to kill a sheep,
>> >> > calf, or
>> >> > goat. Herbivores are (2) competitors if they eat enough
>> >> > forage
>> >> > or browse to decrease the amount available to livestock.
>> >> > Many smaller animal species are (3) pests if they occur
>> >> > in
>> >> > large enough numbers to affect production in some manner.
>> >> > And a huge number of animals are considered (4) no-
>> >> > goods,
>> >> > inherently "no good" because they are perceived as
>> >> > possessing
>> >> > some offensive characteristic.
>> >> > http://www.wasteofthewest/chapter4/page7.html
>> >> > Next page-
>> >> > http://www.wasteofthewest/chapter4/page8.html
>> >> >
>> >> >> > It was a terrible example on my part. Here's a better
>> >> >> > one,
>> >> >> > courtesy of Pearl:
>> >> >> > 'Wyoming state biologists have estimated that one cow
>> >> >> > eats
>> >> >> > enough forage to support 6.9 bighorn sheep, 10.8
>> >> >> > antelope,
>> >> >> > 7.8 deer or 2.1 elk.'
>> >> >> > http://www.organicconsumers.org/corp/cattle_grazing.cfm
>> >> >> =========================
>> >> >> Right. No biases there, eh dave? How many mono-culture
>> >> >> crop
>> >> >> fields do you suppose it takes to feed the same elk,
>> >> >> sheep,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> deer? Where do you think that they are allowed to eat
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> crops, dave? It's still a bogus example. grazing
>> >> >> cattle
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> require the millions and millions of acres of destroyed
>> >> >> habitat that your crops do.
>> >> >
>> >> > 'The 7 billion livestock animals in the United States
>> >> > consume
>> >> > five times as much grain as is consumed directly by the
>> >> > entire
>> >> > American population.
>> >> ======================
>> >> I see you cannot answer the question, killer...
>> >
>> > "Where .."? Try on the 302 million hectares now used for
>> > livestock.
>> >
>> > And aren't you forgetting something, 'mr. field-mouse
>> > genius'?
>> > Doesn't cropland provide habitat for the animals you're
>> > forever
>> > on about.. according to you, those thousands that live and
>> > die?
>> >
>> >> > ..
>> >> > About 26 million tons of the livestock feed comes from
>> >> > grains and 15 million tons from forage crops.
>> >> > ..
>> >> > More than 302 million hectares of land are devoted to
>> >> > producing feed for the U.S. livestock population -- about
>> >> > 272 million hectares in pasture and about 30 million
>> >> > hectares
>> >> > for cultivated feed grains.
>> >> =============================
>> >> And, there is NO requirement to feed cattle any grains...
>> >
>> > WHERE are you going to find the grazing needed to replace
>> > it?
>> >
>> >> > ..
>> >> > http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases...stock.hrs.html
>> >> >
>> >> > Land used for vegetables 3,264,343
>> >> > acres
>> >> > (=
>> >> > 1,321,080 hectares)
>> >> > http://ca.water.usgs.gov/pnsp/circ1131/
>> >> >
>> >> > Orchards, vineyards, and nursery 4,462,591 acres
>> >> > (=
>> >> > 1,806,010 hectares)
>> >> > http://ca.water.usgs.gov/pnsp/circ1131/table6.html
>> >> =======================
>> >> ROTFLAMO you really think these are the only crops grown
>> >> for
>> >> people? You really are this delusional, aren't you fool?
>> >
>> > Those figures sufficed to show how delusional you really
>> > are, fool.
>> >
>> > See other post.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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