Dave wrote:
> Leif Erikson wrote:
> > Dave wrote:
> > > Leif Erikson wrote:
> > > > Dave wrote:
> > > > > rick wrote:
> > > > > > ============================
> > > > > > LOL By comparing chickens to Jews...
> > > > >
> > > > > She is not comparing chickens to Jews per se. She is
> > > > > comparing the treatment of chickens in factory farms
> > > > > today with the treatment of humans who happened to
> > > > > be Jewish in concentration camps. The argument would
> > > > > have been just the same whatever the race of people who
> > > > > had been sent to those camps.
> > > >
> > > > She is morally equating the treatment of chickens to the treatment of
> > > > Jews in Nazi Germany
> > >
> > > And all other people of whatever race who suffered similar misfortunes.
> >
> > One would hope - yet somehow, mysteriously, only Jews and American
> > blacks ever seem to be mentioned. I wonder why that is?
>
> Because these are the most well known examples.

They are the ONLY examples "animal rights assholes" in North America
ever reference.

> It is worth noting
> here that when Glorfindel

Karen Winter. Her name is Karen Winter, and she's a lifelong
self-marginalized butch ******* living in Santa Fe, NM.

> made her slavery comparison she didn't
> mention anything about the slaves being black.

*This* time. Previously, she has made the usual tiresome references to
Jews and black American slaves.

> That was Rick's imput.
>
> > > > and to black slaves in the American antebellum
> > > > south.
> > >
> > > And all other slaves of whatever race.
> >
> > See above, and think about why only Jews and black American slaves ever
> > seem to be brought up by the "aras" in their vile, trivializing and
> > bogus moral equivalence.
>
> See above.

See above.


> It wasn't Glorfindel

Karen Winter.


> who first bought up Jews or Black
> Americans in this thread.

No, not in *this* thread. Previously, Karen has been the one to
invoke, exploitatively, Jews and black Americans.

Write "black Americans", not "Black Americans" - lower case 'b'.


> > >
> > > > Whenever this happens, members of those groups are always
> > > > aggrieved, and rightly so, for the false moral equivalence being
> > > > alleged by the "aras" ("animal rights assholes"). Jews and American
> > > > blacks quite reasonably feel that equating the treatment their
> > > > ancestors suffered to the treatment of animals both trivializes the
> > > > horrors of their past unjust treatment, and also in some way *does*
> > > > suggest that they are less than fully human.
> > >
> > > If they paid attention to the context
> >
> > Now you're telling members of these aggrieved groups that they're not
> > paying attention to what you think they should. How patronizing.
>
> Members of these groups who interpet the statements the way the
> statements are intended would realise that the statements are not
> racist.

You are saying that most members of those groups are stupid, because
most members of those groups interpret the statements as racist, and
they don't accept your frantic protests that you "didn't intend it that
way" (nor do they accept your fatuous follow-up comment that some of
your best friends are Jewish/black.)


> > > they would see that the point is
> > > not to trivialize the horrors of the past but to emphacize the horrors
> > > of the present.
> >
> > That's the commonly given, and wholly bullshit, explanation. But the
> > trivialization is real. The excuse-making and hand-waving and "no no
> > no, that's not what I meant..." ring hollow, because they *are* hollow.
>
> They are genuine.

They are hollow and bullshit.


>
> > There is no moral
> >
> >
> > > In making these comparisons Glorfindel
> >
> > Karen Winter. Her name is Karen Winter.
>
> I'll call her by the name she has chosen for herself.

Her name is Karen Winter. See above.


>
> > > does not
> > > suggest that blacks or jews are less than fully human.
> >
> > Implicitly, that's exactly what she does.
>
> That is simply untrue.

No, you're wrong.


>
> > > > The "aras" always hastily
> > > > and in their best PC protest voices insist that they aren't being
> > > > racist,
> > >
> > > They aren't.
> >
> > Yes, they are. They are objectifying these historically aggrieved
> > groups in order to EXPLOIT their experience for the "animal rights
> > assholes'" narrow political purpose.
> > >
> > > > but the aggrieved groups never really buy the denials,
> > >
> > > If I were black or a Jewish I would consider the above statement
> > > to be a slur on my intelligence.
> >
> > The slur on their intelligence is what YOU did, davie, when you said
> > they are too stupid to pay attention to the "context".
>
> I never made any such claim.

Not explicitly. Nonetheless, you made it. Your facade is crumbling.

I explained to you that blacks and Jews don't find your denials of
racist intent to be convincing, and somehow you get out of that that
*I* am making slurs on their intelligence. That was weak, davie - very
weak indeed. The fact is, I am simply telling you a *FACT*: Jews and
blacks DO NOT accept that you "didn't mean" anything racist in equating
them morally with pigs and chickens; EVEN AFTER your denials, they
still believe you are being racist. And, of course, you - and Karen
Winter - are being deeply and offensively racist, because you are
*exploiting* the dreadful historical experiences of Jews and blacks in
order to advance a nasty political agenda.


> >
> > I am not in any way casting aspersions on their intelligence by telling
> > you - davie and Karen Winter - that blacks and Jews are telling you
> > you're full of shit.
>
> And what qualifies you to act as their spokesperson?

I'm not acting as their spokesman. They speak perfectly well for
themselves. I am merely telling you that your blithe dismissal of
their fury is yet more evidence of your lack of touch with reality, as
well as evidence of your racism.

Blacks and Jews do believe that your fatuous, morally bankrupt attempt
to shore up support for "ar" amounts to a racist trivialization of
their experiences. They don't like it. They repeatedly say they don't
like it, but you just dismiss it.


> >
> >
> > > > and they
> > > > shouldn't. At the very least, the comparisons *do* trivialize what
> > > > Jews and blacks experienced.