~patches~ wrote:

> I believe you as does the makers of the product hence the warning on
> their website. Personally, I was concerned over the potential health
> problems of teflon, enough that I went to all stainless steel and cast
> iron. However, I do still use one non-stick frypan on the very rare
> occasion we want fried eggs. OTOH, the grill grates for our new stove,
> the old tabletop grill, the rice maker, and sandwich maker all have
> non-stick surfaces. I'm not sure what the coating is. Is all non-stick
> teflon? I know my fry pan is a new non-stick called cephalon so maybe
> they have solved some of the problems with the old teflon?

Nope, it's still there and it outgasses at 536 degrees Fahrenheit.
That is its original and its current chemical nature or properties.
They may have solved the flaking with expensive new types but
no one can solve the outgassing since that is its chemical properties.
At least not as of now. You are correct to notice the coatings on
many other things. It's almost ubiquitous in the home, that is,
on many things not associated with teflon, like the heat lamps
I mentioned from the scientific article on death among chicken stock.

If you do not notice anything untoward, then either you do not have
birds or the surfaces do not reach the 536 F outgassing threshold.

This is probably not something to get very worried about unless
you care about or have birds in your dwelling.

As for myself, personally, I do not need teflon pots and pans for
anything.
Glass and stainless steel work well enough for my moderate needs.

I did not see the point for teflon since it can and does kill birds.
That's a marker that it's not just the 100% safe product that others
are shouting about. And 536 F is quite an easy temperature for
any product involving heat to achieve, quite easily. I am concerned
about the outgassing, not the flakes, but the gas. BIG DIFFERENCE.

If teflon as a gas can kill birds immediately, not all birds, but quite
a few,
what can it do to the human in the long run? Over years. Doubt
that it improves the health. Maybe neutral. Likely not a good thing.

I don't know but why bother to find out the hard way?

The lungs have enough work to do without adding PTFE gas to the list.

I doubt that I want my lungs stick free. Why? Because when teflon
was added to motor oil, it harmed engines. Now this is true but whether
it refers back to the human engine, I don't know. But if it's not good
for
my car, then it's not good for my lungs. That is also a bit of a joke -
or is it? Any case, it's not a proper argument to use red herrings in
an argument. Are my herrings red? I like herring as a food so back
now to the regular food in the food newsgroup.