Isaac Wingfield wrote:
> In article .com>,
> " > wrote:
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> > wrote:
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> > > Here's one, recent too: Death is by teflon outgassing or PTFE. Do you
> > > agree now? Formalin is formaldehyde that you mentioned as an absurd
> > > possibility. Now it is not so absurd. Did I misunderstand the abstract?
> >
> > I misunderstood the formalin. They are referring to fixing the lungs of
> > the dead chickens in formalin, not that formalin formed in the lungs?
> > In any case, PTFE cause pulmonary edema and the death of the chickens.
> > So that's proof enough that PTFE can kill birds and it's not a fairy
> > tale.
>
> Yes. It's the free fluorine that does it. But so what? NO proper use of
> teflon-coated pans will cause the release of any fluorine, and birds
> were used in mines for what reason? Because they were vastly more
> sensitive to poisonous gases than humans.
>
> Any teflon that flakes off the pan will pass through you totally
> unaltered. Teflon is close to the most non-reactive stuff in existence.
>
> Isaac
Okay, now let me try and understand what you are saying. Improper use
of teflon coatings, and I will, even proper use of teflon coatings,
will release PTFE as a gas. By proper use, I mean even the heat lamps
used properly will release PTFE since it is released in the 500 range
of Farhrenheit. Around 536 degrees Fahrenheit which is not much.
Teflon is used in a WIDE range of household products. Irons to heat
lamps to heaters to many things which achieve 536 F as a normal and
proper usage.
Teflon cannot be as inert as you state, at least not as a gas, if it
can kill birds. That is a sign that it does react. It certainly reacts
with the lungs of birds and kills them. We are not talking 2000 F but
the low range of 536 F. A range many, many household objects achieve in
the normal operation. Even pots and pans achieve this. But many
household products have teflon coatings that most people are not aware
of. Many products that have heat or heat producing qualities. And they
go way beyond 536 F in their normal operation. Even for a pan, 536 F is
not all that extreme.
Now would you be kind enough to explain the flourine that you mention.
Is this what kills the birds? The fluorine becomes free?
Am I correct that one of the most deadly poisons comes from a compound
acid made from an inert gas, supposedly inert gas. This is a little bit
of a cheap shot but do you remember that acid, deadly, one drop, and it
goes into the body and whammo. Very dangerous for those in chemistry.
Did that acid have fluorine as a part of it? Scary stuff. One drop and
it goes deep into the body. You must remember that name. Even an
immediate shower is too late for those chemists who were not careful
and it's a lousy way to die. Not that death is wonderful but some ways
are more painful than others, like getting burned at the stake. Or for
this newsgroup, the steak.
Help me out here. I have to go to work and can't look up the details.