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> Isaac Wingfield wrote:
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>>>>Here's one, recent too: Death is by teflon outgassing or PTFE. Do you
>>>>agree now? Formalin is formaldehyde that you mentioned as an absurd
>>>>possibility. Now it is not so absurd. Did I misunderstand the abstract?
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>>>I misunderstood the formalin. They are referring to fixing the lungs of
>>>the dead chickens in formalin, not that formalin formed in the lungs?
>>>In any case, PTFE cause pulmonary edema and the death of the chickens.
>>>So that's proof enough that PTFE can kill birds and it's not a fairy
>>>tale.
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>>Yes. It's the free fluorine that does it. But so what? NO proper use of
>>teflon-coated pans will cause the release of any fluorine, and birds
>>were used in mines for what reason? Because they were vastly more
>>sensitive to poisonous gases than humans.
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>>Any teflon that flakes off the pan will pass through you totally
>>unaltered. Teflon is close to the most non-reactive stuff in existence.
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>>Isaac
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> It's not the flaking, it's the outgassing which can occur extremely
> quickly at relatively moderate temperatures. That's why this is a
> concern.
>

Yes but the flaking is visually unappealing and a real tick off. Some
of these non-stick pans are expensive and when the coating starts
flaking, you have to replace it. I gave up on non-stick cookie sheets
for that very reason. I can get the non-stick qualities using parchment
paper or a silicone baking sheet without worrying about the coating
flaking. I don't know about anyone else but I don't want to serve food
to my family with flakes of non-stick coating on them whether or not the
coating stays in the body. If they can put a man on the moon why can't
they make the non-stick coating safe and durable?

> As I posted before, I ran my own test. I put an over thermometer in a
> frying pan, teflon coated. I put on the heat. Something I would do
> normally to get the pan nice and hot. Sure one could put oil in before
> but I don't sometimes. In any case, that thermometer went off its range
> in less than 60 seconds. It was well over 500, probably 600 degrees in
> 30 seconds or so. That really surprised me.
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> Now how easy is it for anyone to get a pan over 600 degrees Fahrenheit
> in less than a minutes. EXTREMELY EASY. Capitals added for emphasis.
>
> People need to be aware. When you say things like proper, okay, fine,
> but how many people in this country are aware the teflon outgasses PTFE
> in less than 60 seconds? Probably closer to 30 seconds by my
> experiment. But don't take my word for this. Try it yourself. Get a
> metal thermometer, put it in a teflon pan, and turn on the heat for 30
> seconds. And see that baby go off the scale.

I believe you as does the makers of the product hence the warning on
their website. Personally, I was concerned over the potential health
problems of teflon, enough that I went to all stainless steel and cast
iron. However, I do still use one non-stick frypan on the very rare
occasion we want fried eggs. OTOH, the grill grates for our new stove,
the old tabletop grill, the rice maker, and sandwich maker all have
non-stick surfaces. I'm not sure what the coating is. Is all non-stick
teflon? I know my fry pan is a new non-stick called cephalon so maybe
they have solved some of the problems with the old teflon?