Isaac Wingfield wrote:
> In article .com>,
> " > wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Here's one, recent too: Death is by teflon outgassing or PTFE. Do you
> > > agree now? Formalin is formaldehyde that you mentioned as an absurd
> > > possibility. Now it is not so absurd. Did I misunderstand the abstract?
> >
> > I misunderstood the formalin. They are referring to fixing the lungs of
> > the dead chickens in formalin, not that formalin formed in the lungs?
> > In any case, PTFE cause pulmonary edema and the death of the chickens.
> > So that's proof enough that PTFE can kill birds and it's not a fairy
> > tale.
>
> Yes. It's the free fluorine that does it. But so what? NO proper use of
> teflon-coated pans will cause the release of any fluorine, and birds
> were used in mines for what reason? Because they were vastly more
> sensitive to poisonous gases than humans.
>
> Any teflon that flakes off the pan will pass through you totally
> unaltered. Teflon is close to the most non-reactive stuff in existence.
>
> Isaac
It's not the flaking, it's the outgassing which can occur extremely
quickly at relatively moderate temperatures. That's why this is a
concern.
As I posted before, I ran my own test. I put an over thermometer in a
frying pan, teflon coated. I put on the heat. Something I would do
normally to get the pan nice and hot. Sure one could put oil in before
but I don't sometimes. In any case, that thermometer went off its range
in less than 60 seconds. It was well over 500, probably 600 degrees in
30 seconds or so. That really surprised me.
Now how easy is it for anyone to get a pan over 600 degrees Fahrenheit
in less than a minutes. EXTREMELY EASY. Capitals added for emphasis.
People need to be aware. When you say things like proper, okay, fine,
but how many people in this country are aware the teflon outgasses PTFE
in less than 60 seconds? Probably closer to 30 seconds by my
experiment. But don't take my word for this. Try it yourself. Get a
metal thermometer, put it in a teflon pan, and turn on the heat for 30
seconds. And see that baby go off the scale.