Karen Winter lied and whiffed off:

> Leif Erikson wrote:
>
> Jonnie's usual rubbish.

As usual, Karen, you can't address the hard issues.

Try again:

You [Karen] have no valid reason to claim that your
plant-only diet or any other such diet *IS* the
least-harm diet available.


And:

Karen waffled: Absolutely -- but most people could
*also* reduce their current impact with vegan or
vegetarian or gathered/scavenged choices

I answered: Then why don't you do it?


And:

Dutch: Of course, plant-based foods will usually
win this comparison whenever animals are
supplemented to any degree with cultivated feed.

Karen smugly and emptily wasted space: "Yes."

I write: "But meaningless in practice."

and so you whiffed off.


And then you puffed yourself up with:

Karen: Then you have no reason to criticize those
who state that a vegan diet *can* be a least-harm diet.

I replied: No self-congratulating "vegan" - you,
for instance - claims virtue because of what a
"vegan" diet *can* be; you sanctimoniously claim
virtue by the unsubstantiated implication that
*your* diet is least-harm, when you have taken NO
steps to ensure that it is.

and you whiffed off *again*.


Face the facts, Karen - YOU are the one who has been
outmaneuvered. We know who you are, you don't have any
new twists on your stale empty ideology, and you
demonstrate that you simply like to fight...because
you're an asshole.

I *knew* you wouldn't be able to ignore me for long,
Karen; you just don't have a lick of self-discipline.
Hey, how's the fetal alcohol syndrome lump of shit doing?