Karen Winter wrote:
> usual suspect wrote:
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>>>> Karen Winter wrote:
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>>>>> It's difficult to discuss animal cognition
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>>>> It's an issue which continues to be debated among researchers:
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>>> And some people still claim the earth is flat.
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>> I'm not one of them. The fact remains that you choose to *believe* in
>> something,
>
> Yes, I believe the years of evidence are quite conclusive.

Despite controversy and bitter disagreement between experts in the
relevant fields.

>> and even lie that it's *established*,
>
> I do believe it is established in the field in general,

Despite controversy and bitter disagreement between experts in the
relevant fields.

> and certainly among most laypeople.

Especially those! Vegans, ARAs, etc. -- they all fall for the wildest
claims and make the most specious conjectures despite controversy and
bitter disagreement between *experts* in the relevant fields.
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>> Alex apparently
>> is able to "request, refuse, identify, categorize, or quantify"
>> more than 50 items, and label them according to color, shape,
>> and material. He also has learned concepts of sameness and
>> difference. Shown a red triangle and a blue triangle, Alex will
>> say they are same in shape and different in color. Alex uses
>> some syntax, always saying "green wood" not "wood green" for
>> example. HOWEVER, PEPPERBERG ADDS, "UNTIL ALEX GIVES TALKS FOR
>> ME, IT'S NOT REALLY LANGUAGE...."
>
> Sounds like language to me --

Not to Pepperberg, and she's the one who's spent decades with him (not you).