B-cup Bob wrote:
> Excuse the top posting. It was made for you to be easy to find.
>
> For your information.
>
> Time December 5,, page 63

It refers to the German study I cited previously:
http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/new...p?docID=525507

Here's the BLURB from TIME (dummy):

ACUPUNCTURE There is growing scientific evidence that
acupuncture, a pillar of Chinese medicine, can relieve many
kinds of pain, but there's no clear agreement about how it
works. That was underscored by a German study of migraines: it
found that inserting needles at various acupuncture points in
the body relieved pain just as effectively as inserting them in
the points that are supposed to affect migraines. Both therapies
cut the number of episodes more than 50% over a 12-week period;
a control group that did not receive either treatment continued
to suffer as before.
http://www.time.com/time/archive/pre...134763,00.html

So you ****ed it up yet again (no surprise). Let me explain it to you,
eighth-wit. There were three groups. One group received "real"
acupuncture. The second group received fake acupuncture. The third group
was the control -- they received neither. The group receiving fake
treatment had similar results as the group that received "real"
acupuncture. So there is NO benefit above and beyond the placebo (fake
acupuncture) effect.

That means fake acupuncture is *just as beneficial* as "real"
acupuncture -- or that "real" acupuncture is *just as bogus* as fake
acupuncture. Take your pick.

Acupuncture is only as beneficial as any other touch therapy, as I
suggested before. Read the links to the abstracts about studies
regarding laughter, pets, and music. Those are much safer because they
don't require some nitwitted true believer to impale re-used needles
into patients.


> usual suspect wrote:
>
>> Beach Runner wrote:
>>
>>> In the recent issue of Newsweek
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not on their site or in the issue I received this past week.
>>
>>> it rported that both traditional and treatment for specified migrade
>>> headaches worked compared to a placebo/
>>
>>
>>
>> Not according to the latest article I could find about migraines and
>> acupunctu
>
>
>> Migraine headache sufferers who use acupuncture get no more pain
>> relief than those who undergo a sham treatment.
>>
>> But they do get relief.
>>
>> That is the result of a randomized, multi-center trial, one of
>> the largest and most rigorous studies yet to examine
>> acupuncture's effectiveness for migraine, the study's German
>> authors report.
>>
>> Both treatments reduced the number of days that patients
>> experienced moderate to severe pain, with more than half of each
>> treatment group reporting at least a 50 percent reduction in
>> migraine attacks.
>>
>> Whether patients received real acupuncture or a mock procedure,
>> however, their outcomes were better than those receiving no
>> treatment at all.
>> http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/new...p?docID=525507
>>
>> See also Newsweek's "reporting" on CAM:
>> http://www.quackwatch.org/04Consumer.../newsweek.html
>>
>>> They don't know why but the results defied chance, the studies were
>>> set up according to the scientific method.
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't comprehend the scientific method.
>>
>>> Acupuncture should be an area of research.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's been thoroughly researched. Like other touch therapies, it has
>> limited value in reducing stress and anxiety. It hasn't been show,
>> though, to be a cure for anything. Other therapies have demonstrated a
>> similar measure of benefit for reducing stress and improving "quality
>> of life" for patients of various illnesses:
>>
>> LAUGHTER
>> http://tinyurl.com/e2mn
>> http://tinyurl.com/e2mv
>>
>> MUSIC
>> http://tinyurl.com/e2nb
>> http://tinyurl.com/e2nf
>>
>> ANIMALS/PETS
>> http://tinyurl.com/e2nn
>> http://tinyurl.com/e2ns
>>
>>> Other studies have shown similar effects
>>
>>
>>
>> Hogwash. The entire page below, from a pro-complementary and
>> "alternative medicine" center, is worth reading. Here's what it says
>> about acupunctu
>>
>> Of these approaches, acupuncture is the most prominent therapy
>> to promote qi flow along the meridians. Acupuncture has been
>> extensively studied and has been shown to be effective in
>> treating some conditions, particularly certain forms of pain.1
>> However, its mechanism of action remains to be elucidated. The
>> main threads of research on acupuncture have shown regional
>> effects on neurotransmitter expression, but have not validated
>> the existence of an "energy" per se.
>> http://nccam.nih.gov/health/backgrounds/energymed.htm
>>
>>> while practictioners have made wild claims.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's the whole problem with it -- it's NOT a scientific practice.
>> Its effects are identical to those measured in laughter, music, and
>> pets, as noted above; those other forms of therapy certainly don't
>> involve being poked with needles that may be contaminated.
>>
>> The last issue is germane since most acupuncturists re-use needles.
>> You won't be allowed to donate blood after you receive acupuncture
>> unless your acupuncturist can confirm and validate he or she used
>> sterile needles (some blood centers won't accept ANY donors who've
>> received acupuncture). This should be of further concern you since you
>> have a Chicken Little complex about vCJD (and normal CJD is probably
>> more common in Florida than the rest of the country given the elderly
>> population) -- can you sterilize prions, dummy?