Dutch wrote:

> "Glorfindel" > wrote

>>Mainstream ethics does not support seriously inhumane treatment
>>of animals *even* when it is to the benefit of humans. Normal,
>>mainstream people support SPCAs and welfare organizations and
>>the prosecution of people who abuse animals in the ways producers
>>in factory farms do. When they are *made aware* of the treatment
>>in factory farm meat production, they support laws to change it.
>>Laws against the production of foie gras, laws against the sale
>>of downer animals, laws against close-confinement in swine
>>facilities and egg production facilities are being passed in
>>many areas, particularly in Europe -- passed by ordinary, non-AR
>>voters, many of whom are not even vegetarian. The secrets are
>>out, and your cruel views are rapidly becoming history.

> That has nothing to do with radical AR per se, it's serious Animal Welfare,
> and it *is* indeed on the move, and it can't go fast enough.

So here we agree, and that is good.

Usual does *not* agree, and that is where I submit that his views
differ from the mainstream.

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